View Poll Results: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

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  • The poor should be banned from voting

    13 76.47%
  • The richest 10% should be banned from voting

    2 11.76%
  • The top 1% should be banned from voting

    1 5.88%
  • Only the middle class should be allowed to vote

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yes you are still a citizen.
    See; the majority of the U.S. who don't vote or serve in public office.

    They still retain all their constitutional protections.
    Irrelevant if they do it or not, they CAN. Under your "plebeian system" they could not without preforming some sort of service.

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    If voting were so important to so many, than doing community service wouldn't be that great a sacrifice.
    I think it's telling that people aren't willing to push a broom or pick up some trash off the highway, in order to retain something so important to them.

    Taxation is slavery, lets end all taxation.
    Taxation is necessary for our government to fulfill it's role and service to the people, nice appeal to spite. Forced community service for guaranteed rights protected under the Constitution are not.
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    the poor still pay sales tax.

    that means, EVERONE in America pays taxes, and should have the right to vote.
    They're paying sales tax with money they never earned in the first place.

    Come on, that's like saying bank robbers pay sales tax, they just use stolen money.
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    the poor still pay sales tax.
    If elected officials wanted to raise general sales taxes then the poor should be allowed to vote whether or not those sale taxes should be increased. I did say that only those who will be paying the tax increases should be the only ones allowed to vote on the tax increases.

    that means, EVERONE in America pays taxes, and should have the right to vote.
    Not everybody pays the same taxes.
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    err.....cause they might win the lottery tomorrow and suddenly become part of the 1%?

    wanting to strip away the right to vote from people simply due to their income, is totally unAmerican and true class-warfare.
    Only on stuff that does not affect them. I thought Jamesrage's post was pretty clear. Most of us understood it. You apparently could not



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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Only on stuff that does not affect them. I thought Jamesrage's post was pretty clear. Most of us understood it. You apparently could not

    ok then but maybe we should have the top 1% live as the bottom 20% for like a week so they can see what its like before they deceide on how much taxes they want to pay?

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    ok then but maybe we should have the top 1% live as the bottom 20% for like a week so they can see what its like before they deceide on how much taxes they want to pay?
    that's really stupid. lots of people in the top one percent are the sons or daughters or grand kids of such people and being in the bottom 20% is what motivated them to get their butts in gear and make something of themselves.

    Your point has no relevance to Jamesrage's sound argument. besides, taxing the rich more does little if anything to help the bottom 20% and some would argue convincingly that dependency is the biggest enemy of the bottom 20%, not tax cuts for the rich or less handouts to the poor



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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    ok then but maybe we should have the top 1% live as the bottom 20% for like a week so they can see what its like before they deceide on how much taxes they want to pay?
    Maybe we should make everyone pay a flat tax on income and make tax increases effect all income tax brackets equally and see if the bottom 20% would be for tax increases.
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's really stupid. lots of people in the top one percent are the sons or daughters or grand kids of such people and being in the bottom 20% is what motivated them to get their butts in gear and make something of themselves.

    Your point has no relevance to Jamesrage's sound argument. besides, taxing the rich more does little if anything to help the bottom 20% and some would argue convincingly that dependency is the biggest enemy of the bottom 20%, not tax cuts for the rich or less handouts to the poor

    being a grand-kid of a former poor person does not mean they can relate to the bottom 20%, my point was if you wanted to force the poor from the vote and make the rich judge, jury and executioner then they should at least get a fair trial.

    p.s Many would argue convincingly that increased tases on the top bracket would help the bottom 20% who are still waiting for that infamous trickle down...

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post

    everyone should be allowed to vote who is of age etc but those who pay the most ought to have more votes just like a corporation and stockholder votes
    Today is just rich with great planks for the extreme right wing platform. So far today we've got "Gaddafi should still be in power," and now "the rich get more votes."

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Maybe we should make everyone pay a flat tax on income and make tax increases effect all income tax brackets equally and see if the bottom 20% would be for tax increases.

    well since many in the bottom 20% are out of work and struggling it would be a pretty pointless excercise.

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