View Poll Results: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

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  • The poor should be banned from voting

    13 76.47%
  • The richest 10% should be banned from voting

    2 11.76%
  • The top 1% should be banned from voting

    1 5.88%
  • Only the middle class should be allowed to vote

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    you made a claim. please provide evidence for the claim so we know the claim is true and not simply baseless speculation.
    what claim? that I am talking about people who live in housing projects? sorry, you'll just have to take my word that I am talking about the people I say I am talking about.

    here is a hint for the terminally challenged: if they don't live in a housing project...I was not talking about them.

    sometimes it really is that simple
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    errbody noes dat when you live in gubbermint housing you don't be payin no utilities and since you walk errwhere you don't buys no gas neither.
    hmmm....If I am reading your comment right, it sounds like you don't want simply poor people to lose the right to vote. You want poor BLACK people to lose the right to vote.

    interesting.

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    hmmm....If I am reading your comment right, it sounds like you don't want simply poor people to lose the right to vote. You want poor BLACK people to lose the right to vote.

    interesting.
    typical

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    People do realize that the poor are effected by government too? This also seems like a ploy to take away votes from college students. I don't like this at all. In fact, there should be a button, "Those who think a certain group of people shouldn't be allowed to vote, they are the ones who shouldn't be aloud to vote".
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Personally, if one resemble some of the knuckle draggers I've seen over the years, meandering thru Walmarts with glazed over eyes and an empty head, then maybe one should not be casting their vote.

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Binky View Post
    Personally, if one resemble some of the knuckle draggers I've seen over the years, meandering thru Walmarts with glazed over eyes and an empty head, then maybe one should not be casting their vote.
    My argument stands, you shouldn't be casting a vote.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Right but ever single one of them want their taxes lowered and the poors taxes raised.
    in which case the poor would suddenly get the means and a powerful incentive to vote, thereby counterbalancing the problem. checks and balances.

    also look at demographics. A minority of Americans voting could even be considered poor, and lets take it further--if a 19 year old kid working at McDonalds while in school should he not be able to vote? So a person is poor they still pay into Social Security, Medicare, and of course state and local taxes. What say you to that?
    I would say that the A)States are free to adjust accordingly and B) FICA taxes are flat taxes, and hence, there isn't the creation of the kind of incentive structure that is concerning here. If we were to switch to a flat tax, much of the support behind this argument would disappear.

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    in which case the poor would suddenly get the means and a powerful incentive to vote, thereby counterbalancing the problem. checks and balances.



    I would say that the A)States are free to adjust accordingly and B) FICA taxes are flat taxes, and hence, there isn't the creation of the kind of incentive structure that is concerning here. If we were to switch to a flat tax, much of the support behind this argument would disappear.
    What does it matter if FICA is a flat tax or not? Aren't the poor and lower-middle class going to be able to take advantage of these programs more in the future anyways? So shouldn't they have a say now in how it is used for their future? The only thing I could think of that the well off would care about with FICA is if they are paying less into it or not.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    What does it matter if FICA is a flat tax or not?
    in a progressive tax system, a large number of recipients of redistribution on the bottom are able to take advantage of the political process to shift the burden ever increasingly onto a minority unable to defend itself. in a flat tax system, this is not the case.

    Aren't the poor and lower-middle class going to be able to take advantage of these programs more in the future anyways?
    as it is currently structured - not really. SS benefits are tied to inputs - so the wealthy actually get more back. Republicans have suggested that we start means-testing these programs specifically so the poor receive more and the wealthy receive less... only to be demagogued as wanting to kill off granny.

    So shouldn't they have a say now in how it is used for their future?
    well, that is certainly part of the logic behind the push for privatized accounts.

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    People ... wake up! Citizens v. United ...! January 21, 2010 the day "We the people ceased to exist".

    The SCOTUS decision's real significance is that corporations now have an unconstrained ability to participate in elections! Cold hard cash will rule the day ...! It has an enormous impact on even local elections of judges ... I think the candidates should wear jump suits with sections of cloth allocated to the donors.

    The five conservative justices, on their own initiative, declared that corporations and unions have a constitutional right to spend as much as they wish on television election commercials specifically supporting or targeting particular candidates. Yep ... they sold us out.
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