View Poll Results: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

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  • The poor should be banned from voting

    13 76.47%
  • The richest 10% should be banned from voting

    2 11.76%
  • The top 1% should be banned from voting

    1 5.88%
  • Only the middle class should be allowed to vote

    1 5.88%
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    lol, so they shouldn't have a vote then?
    depends on the issue



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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Some folks seem to feel unless you are rich you should not be able to vote. Screw the poor, disabled, felons or anybody else that does not have money. Screw the rights of the folks! Only those deemed worthy should matter and get to vote. Sad state of affairs that people care more about their snooby messed up mindset than the given rights of the people!!!!!!!
    This whole thread is causing me to see a connection between what some claim is the Republican Party's insidious attempt to disenfranchise voters they don't like*, just so they can get their way, and the whole "unworthy voter" mindset put forth here.

    *- An accusation I argued against for years... until just recently as now I'm starting to wonder.

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    depends on the issue
    So you are okay with them putting a, "you must make this much money to vote."?

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    So you are okay with them putting a, "you must make this much money to vote."?

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    get some more schooling. that is not what I said



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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    How does this work when these decisions are made by elected representatives, and not by direct votes on the issues? What does a non-smoking firearm-owning top-bracket-taxpayer get to do?

    Of course, the very premise is absurd. Don't own firearms? You could still be affected by them, and still be a tax payer and otherwise upstanding member of society. Just one example.
    why should people who don't pay income tax have a right to vote up the rates on those who do
    Why did you feel the need to avoid the question? I highlighted it in red for your convenience.

    ETA: You still haven't clarified exactly who these people are, btw.
    Last edited by radcen; 10-30-11 at 10:59 PM.

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    lol, so they shouldn't have a vote then?
    They should have jobs. Let us know when they do.
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Doesn't matter where they start, it matters where they go from there.
    It actually does. My family had many more opportunities than my cousins did and our starts definitely contributed where we went.

    Are they all getting an education, or are they dropping out of school? More than half of inner-city kids drop out of high school and never get an education. Are they making responsible choices in their lives? Most poor people do not. Bad choices make for no responsibility where it counts. However, unlike many liberals, I don't let them make excuses. There are plenty of poor people who do stay in school, who do not get involved in gangs and drugs, who don't get pregnant at age 15, who don't go to prison, who work hard and get out of the ghetto. It can be done. I don't accept anyone who refuses to do it.
    I don't make excuses for people. I just don't reduce the complexity of decision-making and positions in life down to "you just have no personal responsibility". It's an irrational position. It would be irrational for you to say that you have gotten to your position in live because you just "took responsibility for yourself". You may like to think that way because it makes you feel good about yourself, but the fact remains that your choices in life were greatly influenced by people and events outside of your control - people and events that a great many other people may not have had.

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    They should have jobs. Let us know when they do.
    Fix the economy and prove that most of those without jobs aren't looking. Let me know when you do.

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Why did you feel the need to avoid the question? I highlighted it in red for your convenience.

    ETA: You still haven't clarified exactly who these people are, btw.
    maybe tax decisions should be based on the vote of those affected.



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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    What the hell does this have to do with my question? We cannot have a discussion if your responses have nothing to do with my questions.
    I'm sorry that you can't seem to follow along. Your claim is that limiting voting rights to property owners would keep lower income people from voting. I disagreed by making the point that plenty of lower income people own property- including myself.


    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I never said anything about right and wrong. I said your opinions are subjective...which they are. You're earlier opinions (which you seem to have abandoned, but which are nevertheless the opinions I have been critiquing) about what actions illustrate one who "has a stake in this country" and "has goals" are nothing more but subjective judgments.

    If your opinions are NOT subjective, then please provide objective evidence that owning property is the only legitimate measurement of "having a stake in the country" and "having goals".
    I haven't "abandoned" anything. I was merely trying to clarify the hypothetical. Also, I never said owning property is the only legitimate way of having a stake in the country. Some people focus short term and other don't. That was point point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Why do you wish to take away folks legal rights to vote? It was not long ago that folks felt the sameway about women and black folks voting that you feel about the mentally handicapped. I guess you probably feel they should not be able to live alone if able either too? Just lock em up and throw away the keys! Backwards thinking.
    lol you are making this emotional and it's not. All I said was that I don't believe that 12 year olds should be able to vote. Someone with the mentality of a 12 year old is no better. If they are, then the logical conclusion to that is to allow 12 year olds to vote. Why not 10 year olds while we're at it?
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