View Poll Results: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

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  • The poor should be banned from voting

    13 76.47%
  • The richest 10% should be banned from voting

    2 11.76%
  • The top 1% should be banned from voting

    1 5.88%
  • Only the middle class should be allowed to vote

    1 5.88%
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    When can we expect these people to work and take responsibility for their own lives?
    Can you provide some stats to show that most poor people aren't "working and taking responsibility for their own lives"?

    Can you also provide some stats that shows most poor people and wealthy people start at the same place and are therefore a valid comparison?

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I like Jamesrage's idea that if a tax does not affect you you don't have a say about it. If you aren't a top tax bracket income tax payer you shouldn't have a say about raising the rate. If you don't own firearms, you don't have a say in the Robinson-Pittman Act rates. Non-smoker-don't be voting on the taxes on smokes
    But then the folks would not be able to dissent via their votes. Only being able to vote on the things you agree with? Would change ever happen at all? Not likely. I mean it would be like having polls where the yes folks are only able to show up?
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Can you provide some stats to show that most poor people aren't "working and taking responsibility for their own lives"?

    Can you also provide some stats that shows most poor people and wealthy people start at the same place and are therefore a valid comparison?
    Doesn't matter where they start, it matters where they go from there. Are they all getting an education, or are they dropping out of school? More than half of inner-city kids drop out of high school and never get an education. Are they making responsible choices in their lives? Most poor people do not. Bad choices make for no responsibility where it counts. However, unlike many liberals, I don't let them make excuses. There are plenty of poor people who do stay in school, who do not get involved in gangs and drugs, who don't get pregnant at age 15, who don't go to prison, who work hard and get out of the ghetto. It can be done. I don't accept anyone who refuses to do it.
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    But see, the middle class and the wealthy are actually paying for the things they want out of their taxes. The poor, who pay no income taxes, aren't paying for a damn thing, they just want other people to fund what they want.

    There is a difference, it's sad that people don't recognize that.
    It's sad you think because someone making $14,000 or under compared to my $50k a year means they aren't paying the exact same state, local, ssi, and medicare I pay as all of these are flat taxes. So what does that mean? Does the poor that pays into these but has no use for them at the time (for example, me when I was making under $14k and single going to college) mean they have no say in it for their future? Is that what you are basically getting at? It's sad that people don't recognize that.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    It's sad you think because someone making $14,000 or under compared to my $50k a year means they aren't paying the exact same state, local, ssi, and medicare I pay as all of these are flat taxes. So what does that mean? Does the poor that pays into these but has no use for them at the time (for example, me when I was making under $14k and single going to college) mean they have no say in it for their future? Is that what you are basically getting at? It's sad that people don't recognize that.
    I'm talking about people who make NOTHING per year because they don't work AT ALL. They get handed a check by the state month after month because they're too damn stupid or lazy to go get a job and earn their own way.
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I like Jamesrage's idea that if a tax does not affect you you don't have a say about it. If you aren't a top tax bracket income tax payer you shouldn't have a say about raising the rate. If you don't own firearms, you don't have a say in the Robinson-Pittman Act rates. Non-smoker-don't be voting on the taxes on smokes
    How does this work when these decisions are made by elected representatives, and not by direct votes on the issues? What does a non-smoking firearm-owning top-bracket-taxpayer get to do?

    Of course, the very premise is absurd. Don't own firearms? You could still be affected by them, and still be a tax payer and otherwise upstanding member of society. Just one example.

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Yes, that GE. Just because you give a lot, doesn't mean you don't take what you haven't paid for.

    Also, what about those super cool banks who took a little bit of bailout money. What about them?


    Did I say that? Quote please.
    what causes this sort of irrational hatred of corporations.



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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    But then the folks would not be able to dissent via their votes. Only being able to vote on the things you agree with? Would change ever happen at all? Not likely. I mean it would be like having polls where the yes folks are only able to show up?
    I don't think someone paying no income taxes should have the power to vote up the rates on those who do



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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    How does this work when these decisions are made by elected representatives, and not by direct votes on the issues? What does a non-smoking firearm-owning top-bracket-taxpayer get to do?

    Of course, the very premise is absurd. Don't own firearms? You could still be affected by them, and still be a tax payer and otherwise upstanding member of society. Just one example.
    why should people who don't pay income tax have a right to vote up the rates on those who do



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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I don't think someone paying no income taxes should have the power to vote up the rates on those who do
    lol, so they shouldn't have a vote then?
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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