View Poll Results: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

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  • The poor should be banned from voting

    13 76.47%
  • The richest 10% should be banned from voting

    2 11.76%
  • The top 1% should be banned from voting

    1 5.88%
  • Only the middle class should be allowed to vote

    1 5.88%
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    When we say the "poor" shouldn't be allowed to vote... or the "unworthy", or the "takers", or whatever as it is all semantics for essentially the same thing... how exactly are we defining "poor"?

    • Is it people who have no jobs at all and collect welfare/unemployment/live on the street/sponge off relatives?
    • Is there a dollar threshold? Maybe $10,000/yr... Make $9,999 and you're out, but make $10,000 and you're in?
    • Pre-tax, or post-tax income?
    • How about people who have jobs, and have income taxes withheld, but get it all back from deductions and credits? (Keep in mind that rich people get and use deductions and credits, too, so be consistent here.)
    • If a person has a job, and money is withheld for things like FICA, do they get a voice on FICA related issues, but not other stuff? How does that work when the issues are decided by elected representatives who at times are deciding things one helped contribute and other times are deciding things where one did not contribute?


    I'd bet that most of the people who advocating establishing standards for voting are also advocates for small government, and it would take an incredible bureaucracy and expansion of the government to weed all this stuff out and enforce it. Is that really what you want?
    Last edited by radcen; 10-30-11 at 06:26 PM.

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dragon View Post
    Funny how conservatives never apply common logic and basic facts.
    Funny how liberals pretend they have a clue what they're talking about when clearly they don't. If you'd have spent 5 seconds looking, you'd have found out that I was absolutely correct.

    FACT: Less than 99% of americans dropped out of school, have a dozen kids or have gone through a dozen spouses.
    Hell, it's probably less than 0.5%
    Bzzt, but thanks for playing. While you are right that less than 99% of Americans have dropped out of school, that's an absurd concept right there, you will find that among the poor, especially in inner cities, the numbers are shockingly high. In Los Angeles, for example, 18.2% of all students drop out of high school. 3.5% of 8th graders never even make it to high school because they drop out.

    Further, you're also entirely wrong about the out-of-wedlock birth rate among the poor. 80% of non-married teen mothers end up on welfare, 72% of non-married teen mothers have their births financed by Medicaid and 53% of the total cost of AFDC, Medicaid and food stamp costs can be attributed to non-married teen mother-headed families. It's estimated that out-of-wedlock births cost taxpayers $2.2 billion per year in welfare and food stamps. Multiple-father syndrome is extremely common among the poor, among black poor women with more than one child, nearly half of them have multiple fathers for their children. Those children not raised with their fathers, indeed those who are raised without any consistent male influence in the home, tended to do much more poorly in school, have a much higher incidence of jail time, etc.

    Maybe you ought to try a little research before you blather your liberal nonsense all over the place.
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    80% of non-married teen mothers end up on welfare, 72% of non-married teen mothers have their births financed by Medicaid and 53% of the total cost of AFDC, Medicaid and food stamp costs can be attributed to non-married teen mother-headed families. It's estimated that out-of-wedlock births cost taxpayers $2.2 billion per year in welfare and food stamps.
    Wow, that almost sounds like an argument for abortion.
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    Wow, that almost sounds like an argument for abortion.
    Actually, it's a great argument for personal responsibility.
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Do they adjust representation based upon percentage of those disenfranchised in this fashion as also required by the fourteenth?
    No need to as they are still citizens of said state and counted even if they can't vote. Again argue with the SCOTUS, they called it not me.

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Honest question, as it seems you are more knowledgeable about this matter.
    No problem answering honest questions.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    And homo sapiens is a SOCIAL species.

    Survival of the fittest INDIVIDUAL did NOT get us from the savannah to the moon.
    coddling lazy sloths sure didn't either



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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    coddling lazy sloths sure didn't either
    Could you expand a bit on who exactly these "lazy sloths" are? Is it obvious to anyone who looks at one, or might there be some who look like a lazy sloth but not actually be one?

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Actually the thirteenth amendment defines imprisonment as slavery:

    Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Again calling it slavery does not invalidate my argument or strengthen yours. So far it has really been nothing but an irrelevant sideline that really has little to do with my statement.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Could you expand a bit on who exactly these "lazy sloths" are? Is it obvious to anyone who looks at one, or might there be some who look like a lazy sloth but not actually be one?
    Why-are you upset with the fact that some in this nation are dependent on the work of others when they could work themselves or are you mad that I pointe it out

    my point was not to discuss WHO is a lazy sloth but the fact is policies that coddle them did not allow us to achieve great things



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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Lol I like how people split hairs in calling our Republic with representational democracy to better fit their purpose of what we essentially were during British rule with dukes and such. I don't think I need to waste anymore thought on this topic. You clowns that think the poor need not vote simply read the pledge of allegiance think about what it stands for and then come back at me with that "only the rich should vote" bull****.
    So says a person with no argument.

    No one is splitting hairs, we are a republic as I have shown: http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1059916267

    Please learn the difference and come back.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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