View Poll Results: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

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  • The poor should be banned from voting

    13 76.47%
  • The richest 10% should be banned from voting

    2 11.76%
  • The top 1% should be banned from voting

    1 5.88%
  • Only the middle class should be allowed to vote

    1 5.88%
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    It blows my mind that anyone would deny another citizen, rich or poor, the right to vote. Regardless of where you are financially, you deserve to be able to vote. I'm fine with denying the right to people who are in prison, but that's it.
    It's not so much on the right to vote for representatives, but when it comes to being able to vote yourself more entitlements on the backs of others, that should be severely restricted.
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's not so much on the right to vote for representatives, but when it comes to being able to vote yourself more entitlements on the backs of others, that should be severely restricted.
    You mean like bailouts?

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's not so much on the right to vote for representatives, but when it comes to being able to vote yourself more entitlements on the backs of others, that should be severely restricted.
    so, if you make less than $30,000 a year, your vote should only count as 3/5ths of a man...I mean a vote?

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Lol I like how people split hairs in calling our Republic with representational democracy to better fit their purpose of what we essentially were during British rule with dukes and such. I don't think I need to waste anymore thought on this topic. You clowns that think the poor need not vote simply read the pledge of allegiance think about what it stands for and then come back at me with that "only the rich should vote" bull****.
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    so, if you make less than $30,000 a year, your vote should only count as 3/5ths of a man...I mean a vote?
    The only people who should be able to vote for a thing are the people whose money will actually be funding it.
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's not so much on the right to vote for representatives, but when it comes to being able to vote yourself more entitlements on the backs of others, that should be severely restricted.
    can you point to one of these votes where people were allowed to vote themselves more entitlements?
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You should probably read section 2 of the 14th amendment.

    The Supreme Court has acknowledged the provisions of Section 2 in recent times. For example, in Richardson v. Ramirez, 418 U.S. 24 (1974) the Court cited Section 2 as justification for the states disenfranchising felons.
    Do they adjust representation based upon percentage of those disenfranchised in this fashion as also required by the fourteenth?

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Absolutely that is the strategy. They are laying the foundation and groundwork to get such ideas into the public discourse and then eventually attempt to enact such repressive measures into law.

    I believe all this is strongly connected into the demographic projections for a white minority in forty or fifty years and what it could mean to the white persons party - the GOP.
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    I actually think it is being aimed for to eneble enforcement of the second world standard of living the business community is willing to " break off" to the citizenry at large.

    I don't know that it has racial overtones at all, seeing as how the hispanic community is largely socially conservative.

    I think the haves want to "disarm" the have-nots.

    Because our rich can't compete with the rich in countries with huge populations of the abject poor if they continue to allow the masses here to have as large a percentage of gdp as they have grown accustomed to.
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Maybe they should get better jobs then. Maybe they shouldn't have screwed around and dropped out of school then. Maybe they should have tried being responsible then, not had a dozen kids by a dozen fathers, etc. Funny how liberals never think about the things these people have done to screw up their lives in the first place.
    That's a ridiculous stereotype.

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Saying that those who are good at global expansionist capitalism should have more say than those less so is little different than saying those who run faster or can lift more weight should make all the decisions.

    Capitalism is a made up game. And the rules of the game are made by those who are good at it or really enjoy it.

    I would be willing to bet that the rate of transition from renting to owning has decreased as income disparity has increased.
    Owning property isn't difficult. My husband and I both have been laid off within the last several years, and we still managed to own property. We are by no means capitalists who are good at the game. In fact, for the most part, we suck at it. I can't say with any real truth that I am particularly enthusiastic about capitalism, but I hate Big Government even more.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    It doesn't do it inherently. However, if gives a certain part of the population more political power that they can use to elect politicians who will pass laws to further restrict property ownership. For example, imagine I'm business guy X who owns some property and I know that if the poorer citizens build themselves up and own property, they will vote for politicians who will make policies that hurt my interests. So in order to prevent said people from fulling the property ownership requirements that enable them to vote, I use my own vote (which I have and they don't) to elect politicians that will place more restrictions on home loans below a certain income level.
    I think that's a bit of a stretch.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    That kind of situation is the situation that would undoubtedly arise if property ownership were a requirement for voting. The default for many or most lower class people would be no property ownership and no vote. The default for many of the people whose interests would be threatened by their vote would be property ownership and a vote. Consequently, many of them who are understandably concerned about their interests would use their own votes to make it more difficult for their lower classes to acquire property.
    I don't know about undoubtedly, but I suppose it's possible. Either way, I don't know that it would make much of a difference at this point. The super wealthy already have more influence over the average person concerning policy.


    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Good for you, but this does nothing to counter my original point. The default right to vote is important if we're interested in equality and a quality nation. Moreover, the problem with this comment in particular is that you expect other people to live up to your subjective definition of "having a stake in the country" and "having goals to prosper". The idea that your measure is the gold standard of both is ridiculous.
    Having goals to prosper should include getting out of debt and owning property, as well as increasing one's income. Wealth is more than just income. Owning assets such as real estate is also important. Throwing money down the drain on consumer items is not only short sighted, but ignorant. Long term investment is more important.
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    It doesn't. But they shouldn't. At least not until they've served their sentence.
    I should have said ex-felons for the sake of clarity. Sorry.
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