View Poll Results: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

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  • The poor should be banned from voting

    13 76.47%
  • The richest 10% should be banned from voting

    2 11.76%
  • The top 1% should be banned from voting

    1 5.88%
  • Only the middle class should be allowed to vote

    1 5.88%
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Not income taxes.
    So maybe we should increase their income then.
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the truth, the environment and nature can all be harsh. but it is the truth
    And homo sapiens is a SOCIAL species.

    Survival of the fittest INDIVIDUAL did NOT get us from the savannah to the moon.
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    So maybe we should increase their income then.
    Maybe they should get better jobs then. Maybe they shouldn't have screwed around and dropped out of school then. Maybe they should have tried being responsible then, not had a dozen kids by a dozen fathers, etc. Funny how liberals never think about the things these people have done to screw up their lives in the first place.
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    1. the ability to exercise control over your fellow human beings is not an inherent human right.
    2. those who are discussing the modification of the franchise in this thread are doing so because they have specific goals in mind - they want a stable, prosperous, nation in which we are all left to live free. that is the intent behind the modifications you have seen proposed, to throw in any blanket reduction and just declare that it is the same thing is indeed hyperbolic.
    ALL democracy is the exercise of control over others. I smoke pot, which has been rendered illegal by our democracy. Atempting to control me by decree of the electorate.
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    I don't see how placing that restriction on voting would place further restrictions on property ownership. My position is a hypothetical. What if people who had more of a stake in the country were allowed to vote as opposed to those who would rather not have goals to prosper? I own property, and i am young AND nowhere near wealthy. I had to work and save to earn that right. When I vote, I want someone in office who will protect those rights.
    Saying that those who are good at global expansionist capitalism should have more say than those less so is little different than saying those who run faster or can lift more weight should make all the decisions.

    Capitalism is a made up game. And the rules of the game are made by those who are good at it or really enjoy it.

    I would be willing to bet that the rate of transition from renting to owning has decreased as income disparity has increased.
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    are you in favor of felons voting? children?
    Don't see a single legitimate reason to create a class that is taxed without representation.

    Especially considering that a significant proportion of felonies today are victimless crimes.
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Maybe they should get better jobs then. Maybe they shouldn't have screwed around and dropped out of school then. Maybe they should have tried being responsible then, not had a dozen kids by a dozen fathers, etc. Funny how liberals never think about the things these people have done to screw up their lives in the first place.
    Oh, we think about it, we just don't make it the default explanation for having a low-income as people like you do.

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Thats admirable...and I was quite the poor kid too...but I also know theres many that no matter how hard they try cant climb out of it....that land of opportunity crap is a great political soundbite...but they forget to tell you its not for everyone in the same way
    But they can be if they're willing to work hard to achieve it. The problem is, you're defending lazy, stupid people. I refuse to do so.
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    I don't see how placing that restriction on voting would place further restrictions on property ownership.
    It doesn't do it inherently. However, if gives a certain part of the population more political power that they can use to elect politicians who will pass laws to further restrict property ownership. For example, imagine I'm business guy X who owns some property and I know that if the poorer citizens build themselves up and own property, they will vote for politicians who will make policies that hurt my interests. So in order to prevent said people from fulling the property ownership requirements that enable them to vote, I use my own vote (which I have and they don't) to elect politicians that will place more restrictions on home loans below a certain income level.

    That kind of situation is the situation that would undoubtedly arise if property ownership were a requirement for voting. The default for many or most lower class people would be no property ownership and no vote. The default for many of the people whose interests would be threatened by their vote would be property ownership and a vote. Consequently, many of them who are understandably concerned about their interests would use their own votes to make it more difficult for their lower classes to acquire property.

    My position is a hypothetical. What if people who had more of a stake in the country were allowed to vote as opposed to those who would rather not have goals to prosper? I own property, and i am young AND nowhere near wealthy. I had to work and save to earn that right. When I vote, I want someone in office who will protect those rights.
    Good for you, but this does nothing to counter my original point. The default right to vote is important if we're interested in equality and a quality nation. Moreover, the problem with this comment in particular is that you expect other people to live up to your subjective definition of "having a stake in the country" and "having goals to prosper". The idea that your measure is the gold standard of both is ridiculous.

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    It blows my mind that anyone would deny another citizen, rich or poor, the right to vote. Regardless of where you are financially, you deserve to be able to vote. I'm fine with denying the right to people who are in prison, but that's it.

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