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  • The poor should be banned from voting

    13 76.47%
  • The richest 10% should be banned from voting

    2 11.76%
  • The top 1% should be banned from voting

    1 5.88%
  • Only the middle class should be allowed to vote

    1 5.88%
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Everyone who is a citizen and not a convicted felon should be able to vote.

    What Gorilla suggests is nothing more than a Roman style "slave, plebeian and citizen" type society. Sorry, but I like liberty and freedom for all men. Not something based on "lesser men" principles.
    Where does it say in the Constitution that felons shouldn't be allowed to vote?
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    How is that Conservatives, who love FREEDOM & EQUAL PROTECTION FOR ALL, are now discussing how the poor should have a lesser vote than the rich??
    Considering the extent to which I am seeing this meme, I suspect that it is being "framed" so that it will sound reasonable the next time the Republicans are in full control.

    This would be proceeded by elimination of the filibuster.
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    These screwball conservative ideas are what will be the ruination of our nation...
    "are there no prisons, are there no workhouses"
    To conservatives - try being poor for a time - this may be an attitude changer..
    Now I don't agree with the stupidity of "the poor can't vote or have to work for it" as that goes against everyone being protected equally under the law. If you have no voice in the law, equal will tend to go out the window.

    This does not mean just because someone is poor they get a free ride. Being poor is not an excuse for failure although being poor is often a result of failure, as was in my case. No excuse for not being able to pull yourself up and out of it and become a successful, contributing member of society, period.

    Has nothing to do with "screwball conservative idea's" and everything to do with good solid conservative values.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I've been poor. It sucks. That's why I worked my ass off to stop being poor. That's why I expect everyone else to be willing to do the same. If you're not, then you deserve what you get.

    Thats admirable...and I was quite the poor kid too...but I also know theres many that no matter how hard they try cant climb out of it....that land of opportunity crap is a great political soundbite...but they forget to tell you its not for everyone in the same way

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Not at all.
    I didn't say only those who serve the community should have protected rights, I said only those who do community service should be able to vote and serve in public office.

    Nearly everyone can do some type of community service.
    All it takes is willpower.
    Hell, I've thought about this a lot and don't even have a problem with those in the process of their service being allowed to vote.

    And it has to be actual hands dirty community service.

    Money can't buy your way out.

    I don't even mind a basic civics test, as long as it is done in such a way that it doesn't disenfranchise ANYBODY.
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    re: Limiting voting rights to those who have "proven" themselves worthy.

    First, unreasonably subjective. Who decides?

    Second, the potential for abuse is rampant.

    Third, and most important in my mind, is the short-sightedness and hypocrisy. The people who want to limit others who haven't 'earned' it, in part because they fear those others might somehow vote their self-interests, are actually guilty of the same premise. They want only people who are like themselves, whether it be in work ethic and/or mindset, participating. They're good at talking the talk of freedom, but failing miserably at walking the walk. It's really nothing more than thinly-veiled discrimination.

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Where does it say in the Constitution that felons shouldn't be allowed to vote?
    You should probably read section 2 of the 14th amendment.

    The Supreme Court has acknowledged the provisions of Section 2 in recent times. For example, in Richardson v. Ramirez, 418 U.S. 24 (1974) the Court cited Section 2 as justification for the states disenfranchising felons.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    I'm ok with current felons not having the right to vote, but feel that felons that have served their sentences fully should regain their right to vote.

    I really don't see the need to take away the right at all, but current felons aren't real high on my priority list, and their voting rights aren't nearly as important to me. I'll concede that one.

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I'm ok with current felons not having the right to vote, but feel that felons that have served their sentences fully should regain their right to vote.

    I really don't see the need to take away the right at all, but current felons aren't real high on my priority list, and their voting rights aren't nearly as important to me. I'll concede that one.
    I actually agree with that. I do know it is possible to have the rights they lost reinstated but I don't know the time or circumstance involved to have it done.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yes you are still a citizen.
    See; the majority of the U.S. who don't vote or serve in public office.

    They still retain all their constitutional protections.



    If voting were so important to so many, than doing community service wouldn't be that great a sacrifice.
    I think it's telling that people aren't willing to push a broom or pick up some trash off the highway, in order to retain something so important to them.

    Taxation is slavery, lets end all taxation.
    And I don't even see why ones service even needs to be menial. Teach people to read or provide other tutoring. Help out with child care if you have kids that need more of your time. Help a wounded soldier with rehab.

    There is a **** ton of things that I feel would satisfy the requirement.

    Heinleins came up with the whole "pay it forward" idea as well, ya know.
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