View Poll Results: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

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  • The poor should be banned from voting

    13 76.47%
  • The richest 10% should be banned from voting

    2 11.76%
  • The top 1% should be banned from voting

    1 5.88%
  • Only the middle class should be allowed to vote

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    common sense and obvious observations seem to be ignored by those who find the conclusions drawn from them to be disturbing.

    I guess some think if you get something for free, you are NOT MORE LIKELY to demand more of it than if you are actually taxed to PAY for it. To me its rather obvious that people will clamor for more handouts when they don't have to pay for them.



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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Benjamin Franklin spoke those words long before a whole litany of democratic reforms were instituted for some 200 years after he was dead and buried. Those democratic reforms would include
    *** expansion of voting rights among non property owners
    *** expanding voting rights to African Americans and people of color
    *** expanding voting rights to female citizens
    *** expanding voting rights to citizens 18 to 20 years of age
    *** abolishing the poll tax, literacy test and other obstacles to voting
    *** introducing voter driven procedures such as recall, initiative and referendum to give citizens a direct voice
    *** changing how US Senators are elected
    *** creating legislative districts in which one man and one vote are the guiding principle

    All of these democratic reforms - plus others - have significantly altered the structure of our political system from the pure Constitutional republic that Franklin knew. Today, we are very much a Constitutional democratic republic.
    None of which rebut nor deny Franklin's wisdom



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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I'm entirely fine saying the only people who can vote are those who pay income taxes. If you're not going to pay for government, you ought to have no say over it.
    These screwball conservative ideas are what will be the ruination of our nation...
    "are there no prisons, are there no workhouses"
    To conservatives - try being poor for a time - this may be an attitude changer..

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    These screwball conservative ideas are what will be the ruination of our nation...
    "are there no prisons, are there no workhouses"
    To conservatives - try being poor for a time - this may be an attitude changer..
    being poor can do two things

    if you are wired like most liberals, you become addicted to government handouts and blame your lot on "the rich"

    if you are successful you used that status as an incentive to improve your lot



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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I deleted it.. But you are the one that made it personal, hon........ BTW, save that fake hon crap for someone who you like.

    I do feel mentally handicapped should be able to vote if they are mentally competent.. Why should they not be allowed their right?
    I made nothing personal. That was you. Remember? You personally attacked me, and broke the Vegas Rule. I just happen to quote the post before you deleted it. There's no hurt feelings here. It's you with the personal problem.

    Secondly, I merely posed a question. Like I said, there are several states where the mentally retarded cannot vote. But it is good that you finally got around to answering the question with a half way intelligent response. However, someone who is mentally handicapped is not likely to be competent to vote. I have a mentally handicapped step brother. He is twelve, and he has the mentality of a six year old. By the time he is 18 and legally able to vote, he may have the mentality of a 12 year old. Do we want 12 year olds to vote? I don't. At the very least, instead of getting offended and bent out of shape, you could try to logically analyze this issue.
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    None of which rebut nor deny Franklin's wisdom
    you forgot to ad the key words ".............. as it applied in the time and in the world in which he spoke them"

    then you have a complete statement that is historically accurate.
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    The rich are absolutely the ones that influence every aspect of Politics and govt in this country. They "BUY" whatever is good for them.

    The statement by some on this forum that the poor shouldnt be allowed to vote because they only will vote for anyone that will give them something...is as hypocritical as it gets....The rich only vote for those that will give them lots of taxpayer money for nothing in subsidies...will fight only for them to lower thier taxs and get rid of bothersome regulations so they can produce worse crap or dangerous crap cheaper for more profit.
    The top 10% should be banned from making any Political Donations whatso ever becaue they only donate to those that will GIVE THEM something....
    The worst of the worst is the American Bar Association and Trial lawyers that will pay millions to politicians not to change any of their gravy trains. They want frivolous lawsuits and disgusting class action suits a plenty so they can milk america endlessly....its all a big joke and the middleclass take the brunt of the bad jokes from the bottom and down from the top
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    These screwball conservative ideas are what will be the ruination of our nation...
    "are there no prisons, are there no workhouses"
    To conservatives - try being poor for a time - this may be an attitude changer..
    I've been poor. It sucks. That's why I worked my ass off to stop being poor. That's why I expect everyone else to be willing to do the same. If you're not, then you deserve what you get.
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    If we fear people voting their own self interests, then 98% of the entire voting eligible population would be deemed ineligible to vote.

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    being poor can do two things

    if you are wired like most liberals, you become addicted to government handouts and blame your lot on "the rich"

    if you are successful you used that status as an incentive to improve your lot
    I'm a liberal, and I don't plan on being poor forever. I'm receiving a Pell Grant, but I'm certainly not addicted to government "handouts". Your argument is flawed, and all you want to do is demonize the people you disagree with. For someone who goes on about how liberals piss and moan about the rich, you sure do your fair share pissing and moaning about the poor.
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