View Poll Results: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

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  • The poor should be banned from voting

    13 76.47%
  • The richest 10% should be banned from voting

    2 11.76%
  • The top 1% should be banned from voting

    1 5.88%
  • Only the middle class should be allowed to vote

    1 5.88%
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    less than 10 percent of married couples with children are poor as compared with about 35 to 40 percent of single-mother families, and once you start looking at the kids the picture becomes even more stark: If poor mothers married the fathers of their children, nearly three quarters of the nation’s impoverished youth would immediately be lifted out of poverty

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    especially given that most people, as they age, move from one income quintile up into the next. studies that focus on individual income earners rather than income quintiles tend to demonstrate much stronger wage growth.
    Can't argue with that. Thanks for the links.

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    its not hyperbole, when folks here are actually discussing stripping the poor and non-property owners of the right to vote.
    I said it shouldn't be pegged to income. Anyone can own property. You definitely don't have to be wealthy.
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    its not hyperbole, when folks here are actually discussing stripping the poor and non-property owners of the right to vote.
    1. the ability to exercise control over your fellow human beings is not an inherent human right.
    2. those who are discussing the modification of the franchise in this thread are doing so because they have specific goals in mind - they want a stable, prosperous, nation in which we are all left to live free. that is the intent behind the modifications you have seen proposed, to throw in any blanket reduction and just declare that it is the same thing is indeed hyperbolic.

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Can't argue with that. Thanks for the links.
    the worst part is, since it's a social problem, there really isn't much that the state can do.

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence
    I said it shouldn't be pegged to income.
    agreed - I think all of those with various economically-centered vote modification schemes in this thread would agree to the simple notion that if a member of the working poor forgoes state subsidization and agrees to pay net taxes, that they would then qualify.

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    I said it shouldn't be pegged to income. Anyone can own property. You definitely don't have to be wealthy.
    Requiring ownership of property would strip many of the young and the poor of their right to vote. Such a requirement for voting is just as easy way to eliminate a certain type of person from voting and considering how easy it would be to pass more restrictive laws on property ownership, it's quite easy to see how such a requirement would be incredibly abused.

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    1. the ability to exercise control over your fellow human beings is not an inherent human right.
    2. those who are discussing the modification of the franchise in this thread are doing so because they have specific goals in mind - they want a stable, prosperous, nation in which we are all left to live free. that is the intent behind the modifications you have seen proposed, to throw in any blanket reduction and just declare that it is the same thing is indeed hyperbolic.
    how does stripping the poor of their right to vote, ensure freedom for all Americans?

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Requiring ownership of property would strip many of the young and the poor of their right to vote. Such a requirement for voting is just as easy way to eliminate a certain type of person from voting and considering how easy it would be to pass more restrictive laws on property ownership, it's quite easy to see how such a requirement would be incredibly abused.
    I don't see how placing that restriction on voting would place further restrictions on property ownership. My position is a hypothetical. What if people who had more of a stake in the country were allowed to vote as opposed to those who would rather not have goals to prosper? I own property, and i am young AND nowhere near wealthy. I had to work and save to earn that right. When I vote, I want someone in office who will protect those rights.
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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    why would we want to reduce the number of Americans who have the right to vote?

    who would want such a thing?

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    how does stripping the poor of their right to vote, ensure freedom for all Americans?
    by not making an artificial incentive for the creation of dependency and redistributor classes that live off of limiting the freedom of others. the incentive structure instead is left for the state to intrude upon us less.

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    Re: Should the Poor not be allowed to vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    why would we want to reduce the number of Americans who have the right to vote?
    are you in favor of felons voting? children?

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