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    Re: Are You Voting Next Tuesday?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Semi-serious question: There are so many logical fallacies that seem to cover pretty much anything and everything a person can possibly say, especially when what was said is left to individual interpretation. Is there anything that is NOT a logical fallacy?
    In this instance, a grown up arguing, "well they do it too" is a logical fallacy I'm happy to point out.
    It's a childish argument.
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    Re: Are You Voting Next Tuesday?

    Our elections for mayor and council were earlier this year, so I have nothing to vote for - otherwise I would be voting. Only missed one election since 1988.

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    Re: Are You Voting Next Tuesday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    In this instance, a grown up arguing, "well they do it too" is a logical fallacy I'm happy to point out.
    It's a childish argument.
    I'm not suggesting logical fallacies don't exist.

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    Re: Are You Voting Next Tuesday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Do you not understand what a logical fallacy is?



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    As the threadmother here, I have to say...there's only 72 hours or so left before people who can vote will need to choose whether or not to do so.

    So, please start an Op about proper debate elsewhere. Interesting as the topic is, this one is important to me.

    Or you can just wait until Wednesday and then jack it all you want.






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    Re: Are You Voting Next Tuesday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You don't seem to understand this.
    I'm totally not caring who is ramming what down your throat.
    If it were, socialists, democrats, anarchists, space aliens, nazi's, etc, I'd still be in favor.

    Public employees are tasked with providing essential services to the public.
    If they decide to strike, the welfare of the public is at stake and it essentially holds the public "hostage" to their demands.
    It's wrong, completely and entirely unethical.

    There is no getting around this.
    I must agree with Harry here. Frankly I don't understand why so many so-called "progressives" support unions, which are relics from the distant past. I want a REAL progressive candidate, who actually looks to the future...and unions (especially public-sector unions) are definitely not part of it. Ultimately we need to realize that regardless of the overall level of spending and taxation, there are tradeoffs. Spending $1 more on one thing means that we'll have $1 less to spend on something else (or we'll have to raise taxes $1, or add $1 to the deficit, or inflate our currency by $1.)

    More progressives need to figure out what I figured out a long time ago: public sector unions are a parasite on the public. We need to figure out if we want to spend our limited resources on better education, better health care, fixing our infrastructure, helping the poor, reducing our deficits...or if we want to just give free money to powerful lobbies to artificially inflate their wages beyond what the market would bear.
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    Re: Are You Voting Next Tuesday?

    Nothing to vote on in my county or state.
    I don't attack my constituents. Bob is my constituent now.
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    Re: Are You Voting Next Tuesday?

    No laws to be voted on in my state AFAIK. As far as voting for politicians. Forget it. I refuse to vote for the "lesser of two evils". When there is a candidate that is actually good then I will vote. Otherwise it's a waste of my time. In this case evil is evil...there is no black or white. Just black and white.
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    Re: Are You Voting Next Tuesday?

    the mayoral race in my own town is less than stellar. i have never been less excited to cast a local vote. still voting, though.

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    Re: Are You Voting Next Tuesday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I must agree with Harry here. Frankly I don't understand why so many so-called "progressives" support unions, which are relics from the distant past. I want a REAL progressive candidate, who actually looks to the future...and unions (especially public-sector unions) are definitely not part of it. Ultimately we need to realize that regardless of the overall level of spending and taxation, there are tradeoffs. Spending $1 more on one thing means that we'll have $1 less to spend on something else (or we'll have to raise taxes $1, or add $1 to the deficit, or inflate our currency by $1.)

    More progressives need to figure out what I figured out a long time ago: public sector unions are a parasite on the public. We need to figure out if we want to spend our limited resources on better education, better health care, fixing our infrastructure, helping the poor, reducing our deficits...or if we want to just give free money to powerful lobbies to artificially inflate their wages beyond what the market would bear.
    Generally because I support any institution that gives members of the middle class political and economic power. Public sector unions don't really deserve the interest of the country -- that is, making it a good place to live for the entire body of the people who live here -- but neither does Wall-Street. Depriving Unions of political power creates a power vacuum that enables Wall Street lobbyists to obtain even more influence. Unions may be the enemy of my wallet, but they are rivals to Wall-Street, and the lesser enemy of my greater enemy is my grudging ally. As far as the economic side of it goes, Unions aren't the fairest or most effective means of wealth redistribution, but they're better than nothing.
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    Re: Are You Voting Next Tuesday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Generally because I support any institution that gives members of the middle class political and economic power. Public sector unions don't really deserve the interest of the country -- that is, making it a good place to live for the entire body of the people who live here -- but neither does Wall-Street. Depriving Unions of political power creates a power vacuum that enables Wall Street lobbyists to obtain even more influence. Unions may be the enemy of my wallet, but they are rivals to Wall-Street, and the lesser enemy of my greater enemy is my grudging ally. As far as the economic side of it goes, Unions aren't the fairest or most effective means of wealth redistribution, but they're better than nothing.
    Public sector unions are not the same as private sector unions.
    Public union employees really don't have to compete with any other enterprise's employees, that makes them a monopsony.
    A form of monopoly.

    They don't check Wall Street because they aren't involved with Wall Street.
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