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Thread: Are You Voting Next Tuesday?

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    Re: Are You Voting Next Tuesday?

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    Also, unionized public employees get double representation towards the state/local government.
    They get to vote and lobby government through their labor union.
    They get more representation than the non public employee, aka the average voter.
    Baloney. Lots of American gets lots of representation. If I am am member of a union, or a professional association, oran interest group, or a political action group, or any group which does lobbying - I can be represented and have my interests represented my man groups. You do not have to be in a public employee labor union to get that. NRA members get it. ABA members get it. Lots of people get it.

    Can taxpayers not pay taxes, when public employees go on strike?
    We already know the answer to this.
    So what? This is irrelevant and means nothing. Its a red herring that sounds like something but actually is nonsensical.
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    Re: Are You Voting Next Tuesday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Public employees are tasked with providing essential services to the public.
    If they decide to strike, the welfare of the public is at stake and it essentially holds the public "hostage" to their demands.
    It's wrong, completely and entirely unethical.
    Not to mention that the public is still compelled, through taxation, to pay for these services even though the services are not being rendered. In the private sector, this would be considered theft and fraud.
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    Re: Are You Voting Next Tuesday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You don't seem to understand this.
    I'm totally not caring who is ramming what down your throat.
    If it were, socialists, democrats, anarchists, space aliens, nazi's, etc, I'd still be in favor.

    Public employees are tasked with providing essential services to the public.
    If they decide to strike, the welfare of the public is at stake and it essentially holds the public "hostage" to their demands.
    It's wrong, completely and entirely unethical.

    There is no getting around this.
    your opinion, and one that i do not share, just because you are 'public' employee, it doesnt mean that you have given up your rights. there is no getting around this.

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    Re: Are You Voting Next Tuesday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Of course, any parent who chooses to send their children to any of those alternatives is still compelled to pay for the public schools that they are not using in addition to the tuition that they pay on top of that to the schools that they are using.

    I don't know that “monopoly” is entirely the right word to describe the situation, but clearly there is something wrong with a consumer being compelled to pay for goods or services from one provider, even if that consumer doesn't avail himself of that provider, choosing instead to buy from a different provider.
    And I hope you know that you pay for the public schools NOT because you have a child in them and directly benefit... but rather they benefit the ENTIRE community of which you are a member. It is NOT about if you use the local public school or if you do not use the local public school. That is irrelevant.

    As to being compelled to pay - that decision was made by the community and your elected representatives.
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    Re: Are You Voting Next Tuesday?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Baloney. Lots of American gets lots of representation. If I am am member of a union, or a professional association, oran interest group, or a political action group, or any group which does lobbying - I can be represented and have my interests represented my man groups. You do not have to be in a public employee labor union to get that. NRA members get it. ABA members get it. Lots of people get it.
    Other people do it, so it's ok for you to?
    What's the next excuse?

    I'm more than sure, as an educator, that you've told plenty of children that, 2 wrongs don't make a right.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So what? This is irrelevant and means nothing. Its a red herring that sounds like something but actually is nonsensical.
    It's entirely relevant.
    It's the important distinction between private business unions and public sector unions.
    Private unions are legitimate, public sector unions are merely rent seeking entities.
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    Re: Are You Voting Next Tuesday?

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    your opinion, and one that i do not share, just because you are 'public' employee, it doesnt mean that you have given up your rights. there is no getting around this.
    It's sad that personal ethics give way to political dogma.

    Should legislators be able to unionize?
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    Re: Are You Voting Next Tuesday?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And I hope you know that you pay for the public schools NOT because you have a child in them and directly benefit... but rather they benefit the ENTIRE community of which you are a member. It is NOT about if you use the local public school or if you do not use the local public school. That is irrelevant.

    As to being compelled to pay - that decision was made by the community and your elected representatives.
    Yes, so if public sector unions don't like what the community and elected representatives want to pay them, tough titty.
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    Re: Are You Voting Next Tuesday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It's sad that personal ethics give way to political dogma.

    Should legislators be able to unionize?
    funny thing, this issue 2/sb 5, legislators and their staffs are exempt from it...they make the rules, but don't have to live within them.

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    Re: Are You Voting Next Tuesday?

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    funny thing, this issue 2/sb 5, legislators and their staffs are exempt from it...they make the rules, but don't have to live within them.
    2 wrongs, don't make a right.

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    Saying "the other kids did it too", is not a compelling argument to win approval.
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    Re: Are You Voting Next Tuesday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    2 wrongs, don't make a right.

    Edit:

    Saying "the other kids did it too", is not a compelling argument to win approval.
    wasnt seeking your approval, i was stating a fact.

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