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    Re: Does the Government Have the Authority to Separate Hitler from his Parents?

    Read article and did a bit of research on the case - "the appeals court ruled last year that sufficient evidence of abuse or neglect existed because of domestic violence in the home, and removed the children from their Philipsburg, N.J.home."

    That makes sense. These are very young children. When things get physical as parents fight, children tend to try to protect their parent(s) and end up getting hurt or even killed accidentally.

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    Re: Does the Government Have the Authority to Separate Hitler from his Parents?

    Although I think government has a role in upholding and teaching certain moral values to its citizens, I don't know that it should waste time and resources on taking children who have less than classless names

    If government was trying to teach morals and values to its citizens, parents might not be so tasteless in the first place.

    If there is evidence of abuse in the household, then they should be removed. These people should have known they would be under a microscope with CPS. But considering what they named their kids, I'm not shocked that they are idiots.
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    Re: Does the Government Have the Authority to Separate Hitler from his Parents?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Based on the fact they do not like the child's name I say no. Our president's middle name is the last name of a former brutal middle eastern dictator and I do not see the government trying to kick him out of office over it.
    Hussein is a common name in Middle Eastern countries. It's like discriminating the name "Vladimir" just because Vladimir Lenin created one of the worst monsters in history.
    On the other hand, Hitler is an extremely uncommon name.

    There is a difference here
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    Re: Does the Government Have the Authority to Separate Hitler from his Parents?

    Not just for naming their children "Adolf Hitler" or "Aryan Nation". Although I honestly can see where the conflict in whether it could be considered abuse or not arises.

    If CPS has evidence of actual abuse and/or neglect, then yes, they should be taken. I'm sure there is more to this than what the parents are saying, especially since there is a gag order on the case and I have read that both parents have some "unnamed physical and mental disabilities".

    Parents Who Gave Children Nazi-Inspired Names Fighting to Regain Custody - TIME NewsFeed

    Now I do think the parents are dumb just for saddling their poor children with these names that are very likely to cause them hardships throughout their lives, if they don't legally change them when they are able to do so. The parents can't even claim the "boy named sue" excuse here, since it is almost certain that these names were meant as some sort of political statement, not an attempt to instill toughness into their children.
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    Re: Does the Government Have the Authority to Separate Hitler from his Parents?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    Baby Hitler Parents Lose Custody Of All Three Of Their Kids | Fox News



    You may have heard of this family before. They made headlines when a grocery store refused to decorate a cake with the words "Happy Birthday Hitler" on it. The parents have been accused of using their children as a publicity stunt, and a social experiment.

    Let's assume that there really is no evidence of abuse. Is naming one's child something like "Hitler" or "Aryan Nation," standing alone, a good enough reason to take the kid away? Is it a violation of the parents' rights to raise their children as they please, teach their children as they please, or their right to free speech?
    I am inclined to say, emphatically, "No way!" It is a scary thing when the courts can take away your children because they think the names you gave them are politically incorrect.

    ...on the other hand, what if the parents had named their children "Dickhead" and "Kick Me in the Balls"?
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    Re: Does the Government Have the Authority to Separate Hitler from his Parents?

    It really disturbs me that these parents would be such utter douches (on many levels!) as to name their kids Hitler and Aryan Nation. Both names are likely to place those children in an "outsider" position in society, and make them targets for social ostracism at best, physical attacks at the worst. To do this to your own kids, to such an extreme, for the sake of a political statement is either idiotic or incredibly callous, or both.

    I really think those kids would be better off with someone else.

    Having said that... I'm not comfortable with taking the kids just because of the names. Some are asserting that there's more to it, that both parents have unspecified phys/mental disabilities (no shock there!) and/or that there has been domestic violence between hubby and wife.

    Let's get real... it's the names. The rest is an excuse to justify taking them. Don't most of us know lousy parents who have terrible fights who have been investigated by DHS or CPS or ISS or whichever and still have their kids? Hell they sometimes give kids back to drug addicts... just complete this 28-day detox and here's your kids back meth-ho....

    I'm kind of torn. Common sense says that these parents don't deserve their children... but OTOH I don't want government making that call unless they have very strong evidence of abuse or other totally unacceptible conditions.

    Overall I come down on No, gov should not take these children.... but somebody ought to whup Pa and Ma's ass for being so stupid.

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    Re: Does the Government Have the Authority to Separate Hitler from his Parents?

    Am I ever in the minority in this case.
    Majority rule is not always best...There simply is nothing in our Constitution to handle this oddball case, the framers never thought that people coule be this idiotic/hateful.....
    The judge did the right thing...

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    Re: Does the Government Have the Authority to Separate Hitler from his Parents?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    It really disturbs me that these parents would be such utter douches (on many levels!) as to name their kids Hitler and Aryan Nation. Both names are likely to place those children in an "outsider" position in society, and make them targets for social ostracism at best, physical attacks at the worst. To do this to your own kids, to such an extreme, for the sake of a political statement is either idiotic or incredibly callous, or both.

    I really think those kids would be better off with someone else.

    Having said that... I'm not comfortable with taking the kids just because of the names. Some are asserting that there's more to it, that both parents have unspecified phys/mental disabilities (no shock there!) and/or that there has been domestic violence between hubby and wife.

    Let's get real... it's the names. The rest is an excuse to justify taking them. Don't most of us know lousy parents who have terrible fights who have been investigated by DHS or CPS or ISS or whichever and still have their kids? Hell they sometimes give kids back to drug addicts... just complete this 28-day detox and here's your kids back meth-ho....

    I'm kind of torn. Common sense says that these parents don't deserve their children... but OTOH I don't want government making that call unless they have very strong evidence of abuse or other totally unacceptible conditions.

    Overall I come down on No, gov should not take these children.... but somebody ought to whup Pa and Ma's ass for being so stupid.
    Our government did the right thing.....
    Whuping ass has never been a good answer....
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    Re: Does the Government Have the Authority to Separate Hitler from his Parents?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    I am inclined to say, emphatically, "No way!" It is a scary thing when the courts can take away your children because they think the names you gave them are politically incorrect.

    ...on the other hand, what if the parents had named their children "Dickhead" and "Kick Me in the Balls"?
    Hitler and the examples are far more than "politically incorrect".
    Far far more.....
    There is a problem in our nation in that people trust not their own government....Government is partially to blame for this.
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    Re: Does the Government Have the Authority to Separate Hitler from his Parents?

    So far I am one of the only people who voted that the court did the right thing. I personally believe that, even standing alone, a name can be sufficient reason to remove a child from the care of his parents. But it is a question of fact, and you have to prove that the particular name is likely to cause the child to suffer the equivalent of abuse. I mean, look at what happened here. The kid became the center of a media bonanza when his parents tried to buy him a birthday cake. His name effects how everyone treats him and pretty much every aspect of his life, and in a pretty objectively awful way. I think him having that names constitutes continuing abuse by his parents.
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