View Poll Results: Which ones are people?

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  • Chimpanzee

    11 52.38%
  • Dolphin

    10 47.62%
  • Orangutan

    9 42.86%
  • Elephant

    8 38.10%
  • Crow

    6 28.57%
  • Pig

    7 33.33%
  • Squirrel

    7 33.33%
  • Pigeon

    7 33.33%
  • Octopus

    8 38.10%
  • Rat

    11 52.38%
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Thread: Should animals be granted personhood?

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    Re: Should animals be granted personhood?

    I voted for police officers being counted as people. I'm surprised they only have two votes thus far.

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    Re: Should animals be granted personhood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    I would like to hear a concept of personhood that isn't just some vague undefined thing reserved for humans. Isn't being a person just the ability for intimacy and familiarity, that is, to be personal? Maybe a worm or a bug can't do that, but some animals seem capable.
    I think that animals should be held to the same standard as a person to see if they should be considered a person. For example, if a person eats another person, they are imprisoned - would an animal understand that? A person doesn't leave his/her excrement laying around for another person to step in - would an animal understand that? A person would strike out against another person over an ideal or in order to defend other people - would an animal understand that?

    People are animals - that's why we relate to some of them. The fact that we have animal instincts does not mean some animals have personhood instincts.
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    Re: Should animals be granted personhood?

    Without a doubt some apes and dolphins are smarter than some humans that do have personhood rights.

    Not saying we should apply them to those animals, though. Human rights are HUMAN rights. I don't think we should torture or abuse animals, but they are resources, like any other.
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    Re: Should animals be granted personhood?

    Should animals be granted personhood?
    Given rights? Yes. Personhood? What is personhood? Being human? That's silly.

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    Re: Should animals be granted personhood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coin View Post
    smartest animal for me remain dolphin.

    Dolphin's intelligence is consider almost same with Chimpanzee. The advantage of Chimpanzee is that they got hands and legs and express their intelligence often and widely.
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    Re: Should animals be granted personhood?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I am not a fan of Peta. However, PETA is a red herring in so far as this particular subject goes. Its like arguing that since radical environment groups are against pollution, it should be ok to dump oil in a creek because those groups are nuts. Even if PETA never existed, it would not change the fact that unlike the vast majority of animals, Dolphins, Orangutans, Elephants, Chimps, and Bonobos, are self aware. Your dog is not truely self aware, neither is your cat. However, those animals, just like the human animal, are. Moreover, all those animals pass learned knowledge to their peers and offspring. All of those animals have primitive cultures that change over time. All of those animals morn their dead. All of those animals are capable of empathy and have primitive notions of right and wrong in terms of injuring others.

    I don't know if they should be granted person-hood or not as that is purely a human construct anyway. However, its immoral to treat any animals that have those traits as "property".
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    Re: Should animals be granted personhood?

    I voted for all of them. As long as corporations have human rights so should animals.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Should animals be granted personhood?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Going on from the PETA thread, the argument is that smart animals should be granted personhood, and/or special legal protection, so after doing a few seconds of research, I found a list of the top 10 smartest animals. Should you agree that some animals should be granted personhood, which of the animals would you like to see as people?
    What's next - marriage? Not in the US anyway.

    PETA overall desire is to make everyone a vegetarian - and giving any more concession to animals than what we do know would go in that direction.
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    Re: Should animals be granted personhood?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    My parent's boxer laid next to their Shar Pei when he passed away and howled for a good 5 minutes. She then moped and refused to eat real food for almost a week after he was buried. She ignored her favorite toy for months and carried the other dog's pillow around with her everywhere she went. She was damned sure in pain. I don't think we give dogs and cats enough credit. They know a lot more than we assume they do.
    I'll give more consideration towards it once dogs figure out calculus.
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    Re: Should animals be granted personhood?

    No, they are animals not humans.

    All animals should be treated with respect no matter how smart.

    You can tell allot about a society by how it treats it's animals.
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