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  • Chimpanzee

    11 52.38%
  • Dolphin

    10 47.62%
  • Orangutan

    9 42.86%
  • Elephant

    8 38.10%
  • Crow

    6 28.57%
  • Pig

    7 33.33%
  • Squirrel

    7 33.33%
  • Pigeon

    7 33.33%
  • Octopus

    8 38.10%
  • Rat

    11 52.38%
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Thread: Should animals be granted personhood?

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    Re: Should animals be granted personhood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    and you want them to be forcibly sterilized because you disagree with them, just as the Nazis would do.
    You're Godwinning this thread, Thunder. A thread about PETA. ~_-;;

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    Re: Should animals be granted personhood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    You're Godwinning this thread, Thunder....
    no, someone else did when he called for the sterilization of folks he disagrees with.

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    Re: Should animals be granted personhood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    no, someone else did when he called for the sterilization of folks he disagrees with.
    wrong, just those who engage in radical extremist anti human sickness



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    Re: Should animals be granted personhood?

    I am not a fan of Peta. However, PETA is a red herring in so far as this particular subject goes. Its like arguing that since radical environment groups are against pollution, it should be ok to dump oil in a creek because those groups are nuts. Even if PETA never existed, it would not change the fact that unlike the vast majority of animals, Dolphins, Orangutans, Elephants, Chimps, and Bonobos, are self aware. Your dog is not truely self aware, neither is your cat. However, those animals, just like the human animal, are. Moreover, all those animals pass learned knowledge to their peers and offspring. All of those animals have primitive cultures that change over time. All of those animals morn their dead. All of those animals are capable of empathy and have primitive notions of right and wrong in terms of injuring others.

    I don't know if they should be granted person-hood or not as that is purely a human construct anyway. However, its immoral to treat any animals that have those traits as "property".
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    Re: Should animals be granted personhood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    no, someone else did when he called for the sterilization of folks he disagrees with.
    Nope, I don't think so Thunder. Spud mentioned sterilization, and you, Thunder, Godwinned this thread by bringing up NAZI's. You see, when you Godwin a thread, you refer to NAZIs. And, apparently, Godwinning is bad form in debate.

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    Re: Should animals be granted personhood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Nope, I don't think so Thunder. Spud mentioned sterilization.....
    why are you lying about Spud's comment in this thread?

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    Re: Should animals be granted personhood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    why are you lying about Spud's comment in this thread?
    Are Nazi's the only people to have practised sterilisation in the history of humanity?
    So follow me into the desert
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    And all the little pigs have God

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    Re: Should animals be granted personhood?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Are Nazi's the only people to have practised sterilisation in the history of humanity?
    please name other groups that sterlized people simply due to their political views.

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    Re: Should animals be granted personhood?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Are Nazi's the only people to have practised sterilisation in the history of humanity?
    It was practice in the United States on the severely mentally ill and retarded up until deinstitutionalisation in the 1960s.
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    Re: Should animals be granted personhood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    why are you lying about Spud's comment in this thread?
    Actually, TD said that and Spud/me/others agree. My point still stands. Don't bring in NAZI's in a thread about PETA.
    Last edited by Wake; 10-27-11 at 11:29 PM.

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