View Poll Results: Which ones are people?

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  • Chimpanzee

    11 52.38%
  • Dolphin

    10 47.62%
  • Orangutan

    9 42.86%
  • Elephant

    8 38.10%
  • Crow

    6 28.57%
  • Pig

    7 33.33%
  • Squirrel

    7 33.33%
  • Pigeon

    7 33.33%
  • Octopus

    8 38.10%
  • Rat

    11 52.38%
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Thread: Should animals be granted personhood?

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    Re: Should animals be granted personhood?

    Animals are not people.So the answer is none of the above.
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    Re: Should animals be granted personhood?

    None of them.
    In other news, fertilized human eggs aren't people either.


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    Re: Should animals be granted personhood?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    None of them.
    In other news, fertilized human eggs aren't people either.
    There should really be a name for highjacking a generic rights thread and turning it into an abortion-rights thread. Kind of like the whole "godwin"/hitler thing.
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    Re: Should animals be granted personhood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Dolphins are incredibly intelligent to the point of sentience. I would not want to see them suffer.
    If they're so smart, why do they keep getting caught in tuna nets?
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    Re: Should animals be granted personhood?

    I say that animals should legally be assured that humans will not unnecessarily treat them cruelly, but just like with humans, this is still going to take compromise and debate and most likely a whole lot more court cases and laws to establish lines as to what "cruel treatment" entails, unfortunately.

    FYI, for those who didn't know already, orcas (killer whales) are really the largest dolphins. Although all dolphins are considered "toothed whales", along with porpoises and a couple of actual whales.

    Granting personhood based on intelligence level or presumed intelligence level though seems to be a very bad premise to set. Sticking with humans are people and granting/ensuring certain protections of other species is probably a better thing to do. Now, I don't think that having varying protection levels based on the intelligence or presumed intelligence of a species would be bad.
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    Re: Should animals be granted personhood?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Going on from the PETA thread, the argument is that smart animals should be granted personhood, and/or special legal protection, so after doing a few seconds of research, I found a list of the top 10 smartest animals. Should you agree that some animals should be granted personhood, which of the animals would you like to see as people?
    I think that any animal that can provide willing consent to pornography is entitled to rights of personhood.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Should animals be granted personhood?

    None, but animals should still be given humane treatment.
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    Re: Should animals be granted personhood?

    Animals as property. I wonder what Americans will think about that 150 years from now.
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    Re: Should animals be granted personhood?

    Woot! Rats are in the lead!

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    Re: Should animals be granted personhood?

    Is Cass Sunstein in on this nonsense as well? Didn't he advocate that trees/animals should have lawyers?

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