View Poll Results: Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

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Thread: Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

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    Re: Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

    Yes, if the intent to deceive is the same. And it generally is.

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    Re: Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What have you done with Tucker???? Let me see if I understand what you've said. If someone omits a pertinent factoid, the blame lies on the listener. Huh?? Tucker!!! Change your password!!!
    Actually that is quite correct. It is the job of the listener to ask the appropriate questions. If they do not then they are at fault. Why do you think police have a tendency to ask multiple questions phrased differently but all asking the same thing? It is to ferret out ommisions.

    Listener: "I didn't know your birthday was on Oct 2!"
    Answeree: "You didn't ask."

    A perfectly valid response.

    This of course doesn't mean that an omission when talking to the police is a good thing. However in a court of law the defendent doesn't have to volunteer anything.
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    Re: Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Actually that is quite correct. It is the job of the listener to ask the appropriate questions. If they do not then they are at fault. Why do you think police have a tendency to ask multiple questions phrased differently but all asking the same thing? It is to ferret out ommisions.

    Listener: "I didn't know your birthday was on Oct 2!"
    Answeree: "You didn't ask."

    A perfectly valid response.

    This of course doesn't mean that an omission when talking to the police is a good thing. However in a court of law the defendent doesn't have to volunteer anything.
    This is why I say as it pertains to dealing with police..

    If the only options you are committed to are "Tell a lie" or "Remain Silent"...

    Stick with remaining silent......
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    Re: Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

    Actually, although it wasnt offered as a poll option, a lie by omission can be more damaging than an outright lie which more often than not will eventually come to lite leaving the perpetrator a reputation of unreliability. Politicians and journalists are rarely guilty of bold face lies.

    This is most prominent in the many cases of biased jounalism that takes place everyday when ommission of facts and pertinant information can and does affect voter decisions regarding policy and political representation leaving the news source's reputation intact and free to recommit.

    Take for example the last presidential election during which an agenda driven press ommited and minimized important information concerning the history of Barack Obama whose ties to known criminals, marxists, domestic terrorists and a church whose spiritial leader preached black liberation theology and racism towards whites and jews.

    If David Duke was running for president and his history was for the most part unknown to the public, wouldn't his KuKluxKlan history be pertinent information to americans deciding who to vote for? Many people still have faith in the press and if they pick up scraps of information here and there which otherwise is being ommited or minimized by the news, they assume it must not true.

    Lies by ommision can and does affect the course of history where as outright lies usually affect little more than our everyday decisions of the here and now.
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    Re: Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    Take for example the last presidential election during which an agenda driven press ommited and minimized important information concerning the history of Barack Obama whose ties to known criminals, marxists, domestic terrorists and a church whose spiritial leader preached black liberation theology and racism towards whites and jews.
    While the whole post was idiotic this passage particularly stands out.

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    Re: Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    I've never told a lie, at least not that I can remember.
    Yea, and I thought I was wrong once but I was mistaken.
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    Re: Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    While the whole post was idiotic this passage particularly stands out.

    There's something called reality, might wanna try it sometime.
    I dont understand your problem Jboo?

    You make an accusation of "idiotic" with no explanation.

    And it's certainly not uncommon to use an example to make a point.
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    Re: Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    This is why I say as it pertains to dealing with police..

    If the only options you are committed to are "Tell a lie" or "Remain Silent"...

    Stick with remaining silent......
    Every time

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    Re: Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    I dont understand your problem Jboo?

    You make an accusation of "idiotic" with no explanation.

    And it's certainly not uncommon to use an example to make a point.
    I really don't think there's a required explanation.

    Your premise exclaims that the media "downplayed" those things that you listed, apart from alot of them being idiotic such as Obama palling around with Terrorists and criminals, charges such as "He began his political career in Ayers living room" it completely ignores that these things were in fact not downplayed at all! Not in any sense of the word where they downplayed or minimized, they like every other story that comes out about politicians during an election cycle got an extremely decent amount of coverage.

    But unlike say Cain for example, who stumbled his way through his allegations, Obama met it head on.

    The only reason you like to say things like what you said in your previous post is cause your pissed he got elected and you're pissed the electorate chose to ignore stupid sensationalist reporting that wasn't accurate nor relevent.

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    Re: Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Another example of lying by omission...

    A friend of mine, who is a President Obama sycophant, recently claimed among his accomplishments "killing Osama bin Laden without the loss of a single American life".

    Ummm, no. While the particular raid that killed him may not have resulted in loss of an American life, many Americans have died in the long quest to deal with bin Laden.
    That's an outright lie on three levels. 1. Obama didn't kill bin Laden 2. American lives were lost in the effort to capture or kill bin Laden and 3. It wasn't simply Obama's accomplishment, it was the product of the fforts of many hundreds if not thousands of individuals, many of whom did far more than Obama.


    These facts were not omitted, they were ignored in order to make an all-around false claim.

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