View Poll Results: Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

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Thread: Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

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    Re: Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The self-deception is right there in your post. As soon as the receiver said "yay" and assumed that it looked and sounded good they lied to themselves because they did not review all of the facts before developing their opinion. It is not the speaker's job to alleviate the ignorance of the receiver so that teh receiver can make an informed decision, it is the receiver's job to do this.
    Im starting to feel stronger that Tucker works for ING Direct.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Im starting to feel stronger that Tucker works for ING Direct.


    Actually, the fact that I usually give too much information is why I am a terrible salesman.

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    Re: Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

    How bad a lie or omission is depends on the consequences of the particular act/omission. It's certainly possible than an omission can be equally reprehensible or even worse than a lie.
    (avatar by Thomas Nast)

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    Re: Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?


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    Re: Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

    And this isn't always about deception either. When you do sales for example, you always face the question of how much information to convey, and how it will be interpreted. The fact is, you present what you feel best conveys your message. You will ALWAYS omit an enormous amount of information. The onus of whether it was pertinet or not isn't your call. It's not professional to claim the seller didn't disclose something, when you never asked it.

    If you look at it from an abstract perspective, it's actually a defense AGAINST bad people, as much or more than it's the behavior a bad person. For example, in politics, when a candidate strays off message and starts talking off-the-cuff. They may do so out of honesty and good will, but then their opponents get that footage, cut it up out of context, or do some deep reserach on it, and then flay them in the news for it. Staying on message is annoying, but it's also necessary given their opponets don't have their best interest in mind...
    Last edited by Mach; 10-28-11 at 03:23 PM.

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    Re: Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

    Another example of lying by omission...

    A friend of mine, who is a President Obama sycophant, recently claimed among his accomplishments "killing Osama bin Laden without the loss of a single American life".

    Ummm, no. While the particular raid that killed him may not have resulted in loss of an American life, many Americans have died in the long quest to deal with bin Laden.

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    Re: Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

    There are way too many wishy-washy synonyms that are meant to water down the significance of lying. Omission, evasion, misleading, etc. If the intent is to leave the listener/reader with an impression than is different than the truth, it's lying.

    Which lies are acceptable (they exist) seems like an entirely separate discussion.

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    Re: Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Politicians, candidates who lie in any way shape or form should be removed and be ineligible to run for or hold public office for life
    That would be most of them if not all of them.

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    Re: Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

    This is a pretty good TED talk on lying by Pamela Meyer. I particularly like the idea that lying "is a cooperative act...its power emerges when someone agrees to believe the lie."

    Another great quote: "We're against lying, but we're covertly for it."

    Pamela Meyer: How to spot a liar | Video on TED.com

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    Re: Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I think you've just described Fox News "We Report, You Decide"
    Well, that was gratuitous.

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