View Poll Results: Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

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Thread: Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

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    Re: Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    It does. Thanks.

    What I highlighted in red was why I provided the option in the poll about "little white lies", because I agree there are instances where it's not a big deal.
    I'm color-blind so highlighting in red is just cruel (I can see it, just not nearly as quickly as a normal person would, so I'm just pulling your leg a bit)

    The option about little white lies is a good one, but it doesn't really fit with my perspective on it. If we have two seriously bad lies, one of omission one outright, the outright lie is usually worse. For example: If I tell my wife I am not having an affair even though I am banging my secretary it is worse than saying "I was at work" while neglecting to mention that I was banging the secretary while I was at work.

    Both examples are very bad, and the results are essentially the same, but the outright lie is just a tad worse.

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    Re: Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

    To me it's still deceitfulness.

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    Re: Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

    When I say "lying by omission", I mean that a person makes a statement or claim about something knowing full well that they are omitting an important piece of information that might cause the listener or reader to think less favorably about the issue.
    When it comes to weighing these things legally it depends on *what happened after the lie* or *what happened directly as a result of the lie*

    Lying itself - or omitting facts and bits of information - in and of itself isn't wrong at all. It's unethical but not illegal. The after effects are crucial.
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    Re: Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

    When I say "lying by omission", I mean that a person makes a statement or claim about something knowing full well that they are omitting an important piece of information that might cause the listener or reader to think less favorably about the issue.
    It is worse. Lies by omission are far more convincing, far more subtle, and their potentiality for harm far greater. People who exercise deception as a way of life nearly always lie by omission, as it gives them an appearance of credibility they can use as currency in the discourses that bring them profit. Lies of omission are the most cunning kind of lies, and the hardest to detect and combat.

    Another danger is that lies of omission are the lies people who are uncomfortable with dishonesty are likeliest to employ in order to protect themselves from the pangs of conscience. All the benefits of lying with none of the remorse.
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    Re: Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

    I've never told a lie, at least not that I can remember.

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    Re: Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    It is worse. Lies by omission are far more convincing, far more subtle, and their potentiality for harm far greater. People who exercise deception as a way of life nearly always lie by omission, as it gives them an appearance of credibility they can use as currency in the discourses that bring them profit. Lies of omission are the most cunning kind of lies, and the hardest to detect and combat.
    The reason lies of omission are more effective is because they take advantage of the receiver's self-deception.

    But they are actually far easier to counteract than an outright lie if one operates under the assumption that they have a duty to inform themselves of all of the facts.

    Personally, if I fall for a lie of omission, I consider it to be my own fault for not informing myself. Hell, I don't even have to assume that people are dishonest to realize that I should be working to inform myself of the facts because all too often people speak as though they know what s going on even though they are themselves ignorant of the facts.

    It's almost impossible to differentiate between a person who is knowingly committing a lie of omission and an ignorant buffoon who fooled themselves into believing that they actually knew what they were talking about. But since both types of people occur in abundance, one should always take an active role in informing themselves.

    Another danger is that lies of omission are the lies people who are uncomfortable with dishonesty are likeliest to employ in order to protect themselves from the pangs of conscience. All the benefits of lying with none of the remorse.
    If they don't feel remorse for it because they don't believe it is a form of deceit, then they are actively lying to themselves.

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    Re: Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    When it comes to weighing these things legally it depends on *what happened after the lie* or *what happened directly as a result of the lie*

    Lying itself - or omitting facts and bits of information - in and of itself isn't wrong at all. It's unethical but not illegal. The after effects are crucial.
    The poll asked if it was still a lie, not to grade the level of the lie. It will always be a lie and will require a poll to determine the severity of the lie on perhaps a 1 to 10 scale.

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    Re: Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The poll asked if it was still a lie, not to grade the level of the lie. It will always be a lie and will require a poll to determine the severity of the lie on perhaps a 1 to 10 scale.
    I didn't even see the poll - I was just throwing in the legal side of the law when it comes to the 'badness' of a lie . . . lies aren't bad - it's what happens as a result that is.
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    Re: Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

    As noted by others, if the intent of the omission was to deceive, or perceived as such, then it is just as dishonest.

    The argument seems to be "I did not lie to you. I just deceived you".

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    Re: Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Is "lying by omission" just as bad as outright lying?

    When I say "lying by omission", I mean that a person makes a statement or claim about something knowing full well that they are omitting an important piece of information that might cause the listener or reader to think less favorably about the issue.
    Politicians, candidates who lie in any way shape or form should be removed and be ineligible to run for or hold public office for life

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