View Poll Results: Worst American President(s)

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    29 47.54%
  • The presidents who let 500,000 Americans die needless in the Civil War

    9 14.75%
  • Hoover, who turned a recession into the Great Depression

    23 37.70%
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    Re: Worst Presidents

    I know he isn't up there, but, I'd give my vote to Ulysses S. Grant. With the rampant corruption, being unable to say no to his military "allies," and the "Black Friday" economic crisis, he sits on top of my list.
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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I think it's pretty fair to say that without GWB's direct influence, there would not have been a focus on Iraq, and probably no military conflict would have occurred. The same most certainly cannot be said about Afghanistan. That one's on all of us. Although I'm pretty sure, at the time, most Americans didn't want any kind of occupation. We just wanted a simple plan like "go in, kill the guys who were responsible for the WTC, and leave."

    But either way, there was no outcry from this country to attack Iraq until Bush started telling us there was.
    bs. the war drum against Iraq was beating for Bush 1, Clinton, and Bush 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    bs. the war drum against Iraq was beating for Bush 1, Clinton, and Bush 2.
    Why are you so insistent on trying to re-write history. I thought all Repubs were proud of GWSoupForBrains for generating so much business for the big Military contractors. All the big businesses got a bigger piece of the pie with lots of contracts. I mean bubba, it jus' bidness, don't you think? Remember 9/11 and then Bush and Cheney saying "9/11 and Saddam" repeatedly for the consumption by the massaged by the Media messengers. WMD and Saddam. OBL and Saddam. This history ain't gonna change.

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    Re: Worst Presidents

    These Choices are so Bad, one wonders if this is a trick poll or a political statement.
    In no way are the choices adequate in number or accurate in the mere 3 named. (Not even an 'Other'/explain choice.)
    Far better was the discussion/choices already had http://www.debatepolitics.com/histor...-all-time.html

    Opting for an Obama choice 2 years/9 months into his Presidency!
    And because of the Chicken Feed spending of Obamacare. O-care 1 trillion of FUNDED Liability over 10 years.

    Bush spent 1 Trillion on his two wars alone, UNFUNDED, Left the country in just short of a Hoover depression. Short because OF the Fed in good part, and Mitigated since BY the Fed.
    You blame Hoover for cutting the deficit but Obama for Not decreasing spending.. the opposite.
    Obamacare will minimally save Tens of Thousands if not more by covering Tens of Millions more people; the Unfunded Bush Trillion/two wars Killed 5000+.

    Medicare 'Part D' ALONE (Prescription drugs) passed by Bush&co, and Already a Bigger UNFUNDED Liabilty than Social Security, Much less Obamacare. (!)
    See OP video/discussion here: http://www.debatepolitics.com/econom...rous-mind.html
    "Obamacare is just a Bad Day in Medicare"

    How you didn't included presidents responsible to Social Security and Medicare instead of picking on Obama is astonishingly poor Math.
    (or, ie, not Include LBJ's 'Great Society spending AND Vietnam deaths.. nor Nixon)
    How you cannot Include 8 years of 'W', instead of 2yrs-9mos months of Obama who inherited this ongoing Monster-recession/mitigated-depression, also staggering.
    Again so bad, (altho it will attract other hacks) it feels like a trick poll from an [otherwise] smart guy like OC.
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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    You left out Wilson, the man who literally sold the United States to private bankers. The legal codification of wealth disparity that we are still suffering under today, that informed Reaganomics, trickle down theories, the absurd idea that the wealthy actually deserve what they have... that all comes from Wilson and his allowing turning over ownership of all the wealth in the country to a few private interests. Did you know that all money is actually borrowed from them? That's why it says Federal Reserve Note. Did you also know that 25% of all payments from the national debt go right into their pockets. That's right, of the nearly 15 trillion that the country owes, 3.75 trillion of that is destined to go right into the pockets of these legally anonymous owners of the Federal Reserve. And it's not like they gave us anything for this. All of the money we have is a debt to them. It's loaned out, with interest.

    And all of this is because of Woodrow Wilson. Also, he manipulated his country into a war it had no business taking part in. I'm sure a lot of conservatives hate him for signing the federal income tax into law. Plus he was a racist, in a time when racism was starting to lose its hold on the country, and enlightened, educated people were getting over some of the old prejudices. Plessy vs Ferguson, while allowing the "separate but equal" doctrine (which is, of course, not equal at all), still recognized that it was wrong to subject members of different races to unequal standards like education. A black school had to be just as good as a white school. Why do I mention this? It was because Plessy v Ferguson was resolved in 1896, and Woodrow Wilson was elected president in 1913. In 17 years, he ought to get with the program. Instead he wanted to keep the separate part, but drop the equal.

    I don't mean to suggest that everything Woodrow Wilson did was bad. He supported some important anti-trust legislation and signed women's suffrage into law. He did some good. But the bad things he did are so unforgivable that they still are killing innocent children today, in order to line the pockets of fatcats so fatcat, they must no longer be human.

    Because of Woodrow Wilson, none of us own any of our possessions. We had to purchase them on credit, even if we bought it with cash, for even cash is just credit from the federal reserve. Because of Woodrow Wilson, we are slaves. Debt Slaves. We own nothing, and have no buying power. With every action we take, with every dime spend we tangle their web even tighter.

    I've ranted and gotten a bit doomsayer here, but the important information is simple.
    1. Federal reserve bad. It's owned by and operated by a few private owners, whose identities are kept completely secret.
    2. Federal reserve big. All money it gives to use is actually an agreement to pay that money back, with interest.
    3. Federal reserve smart. All the money we have to pay back the reserve is done with either (slave) labor, or the very same money that we borrowed from them and cannot pay the debt on.

    All very complex, and I am not sober enough to explain in real detail.

    Suffice to say. Woodrow Wilson was a bad guy. And I am about to pass out.
    Don't forget the increased interventionism in Latin America, starting the precedent of banning certain drugs, and the Treaty of Versailles where he sacrificed a great deal of things that would have facilitated greater international peace for a toothless League of Nations. I find it funny, that no matter what one's political ideology is, Wilson has probably done something to greatly piss them off, and he is still one of our most popular Presidents.
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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Why are you so insistent on trying to re-write history. I thought all Repubs were proud of GWSoupForBrains for generating so much business for the big Military contractors. All the big businesses got a bigger piece of the pie with lots of contracts. I mean bubba, it jus' bidness, don't you think? Remember 9/11 and then Bush and Cheney saying "9/11 and Saddam" repeatedly for the consumption by the massaged by the Media messengers. WMD and Saddam. OBL and Saddam. This history ain't gonna change.
    Where did I rewrite history?

    The Iraq war required congress approval. Dems had the majority in the senate, so they obviously share a large part of the blame.

    Seems like the only one rewriting history in this case are the partisan hacks claiming this war belonged to one political party….such as yourself.

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    Re: Worst Presidents

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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Hmm - starts with: "...Barack Obama, whether in economic matters, domestic affairs or international relations, has been an abject failure and has severely jeopardized the future of the American people"

    No thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Hmm - starts with: "...Barack Obama, whether in economic matters, domestic affairs or international relations, has been an abject failure and has severely jeopardized the future of the American people"

    No thanks!
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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Except for the fact that they use numbers based on when he was elected and not when he took office.

    That's dishonest from the get-go. What the **** was he supposed to do in November of 2008 when he wasn't in office?

    http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet

    You'll note that by February 2009, unemployment had risen from 6.8% (not 6.7 as they claim in the article) to 8.2%.

    Then, in the same damn article, they change the numbers from 6.8% to 7.9% in the very next graph.

    Here's reality:

    Obama
    02/2009 - 8.2%
    11/2011 - 9.1%

    Increase in unemployment: 11%

    Reagan
    02/1981 - 7.4%
    11/1983 - 8.5%

    Increase in unemployment: 15%

    Let's look at the record of the president who actually oversaw the collapse of the economy:

    Bush 2
    02/2001 - 4.2%
    11/2003 - 6.0%

    Increase in unemployment: 43%

    This is what reality is: using the same numbers and same standards to make a comparison. I find it ironic they include Carter (because many consider him the worst, and his policies led to the bad economy Reagan inherited); but completely ignore Bush (when, in reality, many consider HIM the worst, and his policies led to the bad economy Obama inherited).

    The entire thing is disingenuous propaganda.

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