View Poll Results: Worst American President(s)

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    29 47.54%
  • The presidents who let 500,000 Americans die needless in the Civil War

    9 14.75%
  • Hoover, who turned a recession into the Great Depression

    23 37.70%
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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    I don't mind people blaming Hoover for turning a recession into a depression, but the problem is they always ignorantly claim that the problem with Hoover is he didn't intervene enough, or as some dolts like to portray, that he didn't do anything at all, which is absurd.
    Well, it's actually not quite either. Hoover made the wrong intervention choices. Raising taxes, starting dirty wars and cutting spending were all examples of the wrong intervention choices.
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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    The poll did not allow for rational choice to begin with. In your attempt to be stark you were also too vague, and more than a little duplicitous.. Initially I had absolutely no idea what you meant by "Presidents who are essentially responsible for the deaths of 500,000 Americans", so I didn't vote at all. I just participated in the conversation.

    Once you clarified what that meant later, I still didn't feel inclined to vote. The choices allowed weren't sufficient.
    Well, I did say in the Civil War. That should be pretty clear which Presidents.

    As for the hacks who say Dubya is the worst, last time I checked, Dubya didn't get 500,000 Americans killed.
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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Well, it's actually not quite either. Hoover made the wrong intervention choices. Raising taxes, starting dirty wars and cutting spending were all examples of the wrong intervention choices.
    where was spending cut after the market collapse?

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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Well, I did say in the Civil War. That should be pretty clear which Presidents.

    As for the hacks who say Dubya is the worst, last time I checked, Dubya didn't get 500,000 Americans killed.
    He only killed 4500 Americans, not counting his execution record from Texas. OTOH, he is responsible for the deaths of perhaps 500,000 Iraqis. I would expect the true figures on that to come out after the first of the year. Then there is the aftereffect of the cost of the Iraq misadventure known as the GWSnotForBrains Great Depression that is ongoing.

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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    He only killed 4500 Americans, not counting his execution record from Texas. OTOH, he is responsible for the deaths of perhaps 500,000 Iraqis. I would expect the true figures on that to come out after the first of the year. Then there is the aftereffect of the cost of the Iraq misadventure known as the GWSnotForBrains Great Depression that is ongoing.
    congress authorized the war. the democrats had a majority in the senate. your blame game is childish and incorrect.

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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    congress authorized the war. the democrats had a majority in the senate. your blame game is childish and incorrect.
    IMO, all blame games at that level are childish and incorrect *cough* political *cough*.

    There's no way that one person could be solely responsible for all that gets blamed on them.

    On the other hand, I sometimes think of POTUS as the "supreme blame target" political office...I mean...even if the POTUS had no knowledge of X problem, he/she SHOULD have known, therefor it's their fault...


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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    where was spending cut after the market collapse?
    As I recall, Hoover cut the following budget after the crash by 63 million. Not a whole lot per se, but couple that with raising taxes and dirty trade wars (which he went on record saying was bad but still signed that awful Republican bill anyways) moved together to make a recession into something far worse.
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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    As I recall, Hoover cut the following budget after the crash by 63 million. Not a whole lot per se, but couple that with raising taxes and dirty trade wars (which he went on record saying was bad but still signed that awful Republican bill anyways) moved together to make a recession into something far worse.
    congressional records I see shows spending went up every year he was in office.

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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    congressional records I see shows spending went up every year he was in office.
    You are right, spending went up drastically under Hoover. In fact spending remained stable under FDR before the war.

    Still textbooks pretends like FDR was the big spender, while Hoover was doing nothing.


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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    congress authorized the war. the democrats had a majority in the senate. your blame game is childish and incorrect.
    I think it's pretty fair to say that without GWB's direct influence, there would not have been a focus on Iraq, and probably no military conflict would have occurred. The same most certainly cannot be said about Afghanistan. That one's on all of us. Although I'm pretty sure, at the time, most Americans didn't want any kind of occupation. We just wanted a simple plan like "go in, kill the guys who were responsible for the WTC, and leave."

    But either way, there was no outcry from this country to attack Iraq until Bush started telling us there was.
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