View Poll Results: Worst American President(s)

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  • Obama

    29 47.54%
  • The presidents who let 500,000 Americans die needless in the Civil War

    9 14.75%
  • Hoover, who turned a recession into the Great Depression

    23 37.70%
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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Firstly, you cannot base an 19th Century decision on 21st Century morals. Complete non-sequitur. And Hitler was certainly an extremist based on morals of the time.

    Again, you are basing your decision on 21st Century morals... in assessing someone from the 19th century.
    Why can't I base an 19th Century decision on 21st Century morals? I am no moral relativist, I believe in the same values whereever I am, and whatever time it is. Deal with it, because I did the ranking.

    Jackson was for a smaller government and prized individual liberty over most other things. That sounds like a libertarian to me. And regardless of what Adams did... Jackson paid off the entire US debt.
    Jackson believed government was an entity for rich people, and he believed banks were crushing the common man. It wasn't liberalism he was fighting for. He was more a populist common-man fighter. The spending in the US went from 1.85 of GDP till 2.7% of GDP when he left office, so he was no liberterian.

    That is one school of thought. Others would state that the crisis was CAUSED by the Bank of US itself (fraud and corruption), problems with Mexican silver, and state government deficit spending... having nothing to do with Jackson.
    Please explain


    No, Van Buren CREATED it. Jackson borrowed it and took it national.
    Jackson took it national, so he is to blame.

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    Re: Worst Presidents

    is there a great american president(s) thread?



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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Are you not aware that Carter wrote well over a dozen books to capitalize on his fame?
    I am sure he made money for that. However, I would not place that in the same category as sitting on boards of directors making fat fees for going to a few meetings each year or delivering a six figure speech to some fat cats.

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    Re: Worst Presidents

    The poll is obviously tainted by partisan bias. Any poll that does not include GWSoupForBrains, the initiator of the Great GWSoupForBrains Depression, grand liar on a world scale, master torturer on a world scale, warmonger on a world scale, as a candidate for worst president ever has absolutely zero credibility. End of story.

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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    It's really quite sad. I basically made the poll as stark of a choice as possible.

    A president who essentially destroyed the economy of the US causing the worst economic disaster the US had ever encountered, the Presidents who are essentially responsible for the deaths of 500,000 Americans or Obama.

    You are not rational if you pick Obama.
    The poll did not allow for rational choice to begin with. In your attempt to be stark you were also too vague, and more than a little duplicitous.. Initially I had absolutely no idea what you meant by "Presidents who are essentially responsible for the deaths of 500,000 Americans", so I didn't vote at all. I just participated in the conversation.

    Once you clarified what that meant later, I still didn't feel inclined to vote. The choices allowed weren't sufficient.

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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Worst President by far is George W Bush, followed by Ronald Reagan then Herbert Hoover.

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    Re: Worst Presidents

    I don't mind people blaming Hoover for turning a recession into a depression, but the problem is they always ignorantly claim that the problem with Hoover is he didn't intervene enough, or as some dolts like to portray, that he didn't do anything at all, which is absurd.

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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Wilson is the worst president, followed closely by FDR.

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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    I don't mind people blaming Hoover for turning a recession into a depression, but the problem is they always ignorantly claim that the problem with Hoover is he didn't intervene enough, or as some dolts like to portray, that he didn't do anything at all, which is absurd.
    Much of what he did do was near the end of his term, and by that time public opinion was so entrenched against him that he had no chance of winning re-election regardless who his opponent was.

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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Much of what he did do was near the end of his term, and by that time public opinion was so entrenched against him that he had no chance of winning re-election regardless who his opponent was.
    Nobody was going to be able to fix the mess, because it was caused by the Fed implementing a contractionary monetary policy.

    Hoover (and FDR to a greater extent) prolonged and worsened the calamity caused by the central bank.

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