View Poll Results: Worst American President(s)

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  • Obama

    29 47.54%
  • The presidents who let 500,000 Americans die needless in the Civil War

    9 14.75%
  • Hoover, who turned a recession into the Great Depression

    23 37.70%
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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    All of which were pretty terrible... based on the perceptions of OUR time period. Back then? Not so much. As far as you "Godwining", the perception of the persecution of the Jews was universal with the exception of extremists. Very different scenarios.
    I am judging him based on the perceptions of our time periods. I am not following the morals of the 1800s. Hitler was no extremist back in the 1930s. Many people supported him, also outside Germany. Jew-bashing was very common across the whole Europe. That doesn't make Hitler's actions any better.

    True. I never said Jackson was perfect, but putting him as one of the worst is absurd.
    Well, I don't even know about any President who has been worse than Andrew Jackson. I mean many sources claim Andrew Johnson is the worst, but at least he just fought any law that would give minorities equal rights. He didn't go out there, cheated them, killed them and stole their homeland.

    JQ Adams did not do much of the work. Nowadays, Jackson would probably be seen as a Libertarian. His small government policies, appropriate for the time were what reduced the debt. Also, Van Buren worsened the economic crisis by doing nothing, and though Jackson had a part in what happened, The Bank of the US also had a part. Blaming it all on Jackson is inaccurate.
    Jackson is no liberterian. Jackson was a populist. Adams reduced the debt from 13% to 7% of GDP per capita.

    Jackson was the reason for the crisis. When he took power, he said no to renew the charter of Bank of the US and withdrew the money from the national bank and distrubuted it among local banks. The local banks began to heavily overstimate the situation and gave out too many loans to invest in new properties after the removal of the indians. This caused a property bubble, which jackson used to pay off the debt. Also, imports rose too fast and caused a trade deficit.

    Then he decided to require only gold and silver as payment for public lands to fight overvaluation. This has disasterous consequences. He crashed the economy, and sent the debt levels back up to when he took office.

    Van Buren is the "father" of the modern patronage system. Jackson was the first to take it national.
    They are from the same party. No wonder he kept jacksons spoils system.
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    Re: Worst Presidents

    I voted for Hoover, though the poll does not give many good choices. Also, why is that on every poll, the conservative choice is always voted on by visitors? Are these people too embarrassed to log in? Every time I look at a poll and there is a lopsided conservative vote, only like 3 names show up.

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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I voted for Hoover...
    Damn, you're older than I thought!



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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Any one who thinks that Obama is the worst President is a partisan hack with no ability to understand how a determination like this would be made. Generally, it takes about 10 years after a Presidency to fully understand the impact of that administration. Currently, we can not fully assess the administrations of GWB or Obama. Anyone who believes otherwise has no credibility.
    THAT was the point of this poll.

    That and highlight how idiotic Conservative's belief is.

    To argue Obama is worse than the Presidents who essentially sent 500,000 Americans to die needlessly is a sign of serious mental issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    THAT was the point of this poll.

    That and highlight how idiotic Conservative's belief is.

    To argue Obama is worse than the Presidents who essentially sent 500,000 Americans to die needlessly is a sign of serious mental issues.
    Perhaps that's why almost all of them voted anonymously. Out of 20 votes, 8 of them were anonymous, and 7 of the 8 voted "Obama".
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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Perhaps that's why almost all of them voted anonymously. Out of 20 votes, 8 of them were anonymous, and 7 of the 8 voted "Obama".
    It's really quite sad. I basically made the poll as stark of a choice as possible.

    A president who essentially destroyed the economy of the US causing the worst economic disaster the US had ever encountered, the Presidents who are essentially responsible for the deaths of 500,000 Americans or Obama.

    You are not rational if you pick Obama.
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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I voted for Hoover, though the poll does not give many good choices. Also, why is that on every poll, the conservative choice is always voted on by visitors? Are these people too embarrassed to log in? Every time I look at a poll and there is a lopsided conservative vote, only like 3 names show up.
    Because the more you proclaim your conservative/liberal beliefs, the less mature you are. Who throws the hissy fits around here? The Extremists. But you do have a point that it tends to be the "conservatives" who spam polls when the result doesn't go their way. It's really quite pathetic for people who allegedly worship personal responsibility and maturity to act like toddlers.
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    Re: Worst Presidents

    I don't know enough history to be aware which president(s) you specifically refer to in the 2nd option.

    I'm assuming Lincoln and whoever before him...

    But in either case, I'm of the opinion that trying to draw such conclusions is highly subjective.


    I mean...talk to one person, X decision by a given president was good.

    Talk to another person, the same decision was bad.


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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I don't know enough history to be aware which president(s) you specifically refer to in the 2nd option.

    I'm assuming Lincoln and whoever before him
    By the time Lincoln got there is was largely inevitable.

    I think someone listed them. Pretty much the 4 or 5 Presidents preceding Abe.

    I mean...talk to one person, X decision by a given president was good.
    But some people are in fact stupid.

    I don't see how someone rational can think that sending 500,000 Americans to die because you were too worthless to make the hard decisions to save the country means you were a better president than Obama. Letting the Civil War happen at all is a sign you were a bad president.
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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    I am judging him based on the perceptions of our time periods. I am not following the morals of the 1800s. Hitler was no extremist back in the 1930s. Many people supported him, also outside Germany. Jew-bashing was very common across the whole Europe. That doesn't make Hitler's actions any better.
    Firstly, you cannot base an 19th Century decision on 21st Century morals. Complete non-sequitur. And Hitler was certainly an extremist based on morals of the time.


    Well, I don't even know about any President who has been worse than Andrew Jackson. I mean many sources claim Andrew Johnson is the worst, but at least he just fought any law that would give minorities equal rights. He didn't go out there, cheated them, killed them and stole their homeland.
    Again, you are basing your decision on 21st Century morals... in assessing someone from the 19th century.


    Jackson is no liberterian. Jackson was a populist. Adams reduced the debt from 13% to 7% of GDP per capita.
    Jackson was for a smaller government and prized individual liberty over most other things. That sounds like a libertarian to me. And regardless of what Adams did... Jackson paid off the entire US debt.

    Jackson was the reason for the crisis. When he took power, he said no to renew the charter of Bank of the US and withdrew the money from the national bank and distrubuted it among local banks. The local banks began to heavily overstimate the situation and gave out too many loans to invest in new properties after the removal of the indians. This caused a property bubble, which jackson used to pay off the debt. Also, imports rose too fast and caused a trade deficit.

    Then he decided to require only gold and silver as payment for public lands to fight overvaluation. This has disasterous consequences. He crashed the economy, and sent the debt levels back up to when he took office.
    That is one school of thought. Others would state that the crisis was CAUSED by the Bank of US itself (fraud and corruption), problems with Mexican silver, and state government deficit spending... having nothing to do with Jackson.


    They are from the same party. No wonder he kept jacksons spoils system.
    No, Van Buren CREATED it. Jackson borrowed it and took it national.
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