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  • The presidents who let 500,000 Americans die needless in the Civil War

    9 14.75%
  • Hoover, who turned a recession into the Great Depression

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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Just about every former president we have other than Carter has enjoyed trading on their fame in return for big dollars. Is this a shock to you or some new information you were not aware or?
    Generally true, but as I recall, President Eisenhower retired on his farm in Gettysburg, shunning the spotlite....which was respected...Today, this would not be, the media and people tend to be far too nosy...
    Carter was, IMO, too much of a humanitarian ..
    Its sick that some think that this attribute make a man a failure...

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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Conservative said "No one can change the reality that Jimmy Carter is smiling these days as Obama will replace him as our worst President in modern history. "

    Let's see who agrees with him.
    Results of various polls conducted by political scientists since 1948. You will note that Carter generally scores better than GW Bush and Obama is reasonably high ranked.

    Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Conservative said "No one can change the reality that Jimmy Carter is smiling these days as Obama will replace him as our worst President in modern history. "

    Let's see who agrees with him.
    The quote narrows it to modern presidents only, but the poll includes presidents who weren't in the modern era. There's an inconsistency here.


    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Any one who thinks that Obama is the worst President is a partisan hack with no ability to understand how a determination like this would be made. Generally, it takes about 10 years after a Presidency to fully understand the impact of that administration. Currently, we can not fully assess the administrations of GWB or Obama. Anyone who believes otherwise has no credibility.
    Taken in context, this is correct. In a general overall sense, a president's term cannot be effectively judged until after they have been out of office for a time. You need time to let their policies and actions shake out to see what they really did. It has not been uncommon for a president to either rise or fall in public opinion several years after they left office when people realize what that president did to or for them.


    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    While Carter was indeed a failed president, he is the model for excellence after leaving office. He is perhaps the only one who has not whored himself out to the highest bidder.
    For the most part I agree with this. Carter has been a fine ex-president. My only complaint is that it seems the past 10+/- years he's starting to get a little full of himself and he's believing his own press releases, so to speak.
    Last edited by radcen; 10-25-11 at 11:29 AM.

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    Re: Worst Presidents

    This is an interesting poll. I should say that it is kind of a goofy poll. I don't understand where the benchmark is. What is the criteria? People can pretty much cherry pick, connect the dots, spin and provide imaginary rhetoric to prove their points which is very evident already. Much of this is opinion. Not based on fact. It is pretty easy to judge a president on the history we know. How about the unknown decisions that some presidents made without our knowing. There are so many policies to judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    So far as I'm concerned you're talking about one of the three Greatest Presidents of all time when you discuss Andrew Jackson.
    As a child or as a young adult, I'd agree, but with some knowledge passed thru my head over the years.....those who are conservative are not so hot....what really counts is the greatness of the people...we do have a ways to go....
    Our presidents are not dictators (as some think), which is a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    As a child or as a young adult, I'd agree, but with some knowledge passed thru my head over the years.....those who are conservative are not so hot....what really counts is the greatness of the people...we do have a ways to go....
    Our presidents are not dictators (as some think), which is a good thing.
    I am no child myself, earthworm. I'm working on 38 years of knowledge myself and obviously we have very different experiences and viewpoints on what should be. As for our President's not being Dictators.... maybe you should go back and inform Mr. Lincoln of Springfield, Illinois of that little tidbit.

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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    That's like saying Hitlers actions were the perception of time, and hence he wasn't one of the worst person in the world.

    Jackson first signed into the Indian Expulsion Act, which is absolutely horrible and inhumane. It did not have bipartisan support. His policies killed nearly half of the Indians in the US and he stole their homeland. You remember trail of tears?
    All of which were pretty terrible... based on the perceptions of OUR time period. Back then? Not so much. As far as you "Godwining", the perception of the persecution of the Jews was universal with the exception of extremists. Very different scenarios.

    Jackson had no respect for the Supreme court and the system of checks and balances.
    True. I never said Jackson was perfect, but putting him as one of the worst is absurd.

    Jackson did reduce the debt, but the previous President did most of the job. He just finished it by causing a property bubble. The property bubble and his silly economic policies caused a huge economic depression.
    JQ Adams did not do much of the work. Nowadays, Jackson would probably be seen as a Libertarian. His small government policies, appropriate for the time were what reduced the debt. Also, Van Buren worsened the economic crisis by doing nothing, and though Jackson had a part in what happened, The Bank of the US also had a part. Blaming it all on Jackson is inaccurate.

    Jackson created the spoils system, which is hiring your friends to important positions, instead of the ones who are qualified.
    Van Buren is the "father" of the modern patronage system. Jackson was the first to take it national.
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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    While Carter was indeed a failed president, he is the model for excellence after leaving office. He is perhaps the only one who has not whored himself out to the highest bidder.
    neither Bush has and neither blasted their successor, unlike the moron Carter. there are a bunch of 1980 olympians who cannot wait to piss on Carter's grave



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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Just about every former president we have other than Carter has enjoyed trading on their fame in return for big dollars. Is this a shock to you or some new information you were not aware or?
    Are you not aware that Carter wrote well over a dozen books to capitalize on his fame?

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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Are you not aware that Carter wrote well over a dozen books to capitalize on his fame?
    or, Unlike George HW Bush or W, he whined about Reagan, he whined about GHWB, and he whined about W while GHWB had nothing bad to say publicly about Clinton and W has not bashed the uber incompetence of Obumble



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