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  • The presidents who let 500,000 Americans die needless in the Civil War

    9 14.75%
  • Hoover, who turned a recession into the Great Depression

    23 37.70%
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    Re: Worst Presidents

    I did not vote in the poll, because my fav wasn't on the list.

    Let’s try this again. My stupid computer disconnected from the forum and I lost all my rant about Bush!

    To me, Bush was the worst in my time. A few reasons are:
    1. He didn’t heed warning about Ben Laden (9/11 could have happened anyway) but we’ll never know. He was warned.
    2. Sent troops to Iraq starting war which killed something like 8,840 Americans, and ran up a huge debt. That cost wasn't
    added to his national budget.
    3. Took a budget surplus and, during his administration, changed it into a huge debt, for the next president to inherit.
    4. Encouraged the trend to ship more of our jobs overseas. Although, Obama hasn’t done much to correct this.
    5. Relaxed regulations on banks and Wall Street, which led to the current housing crisis and damaged the economy.
    6. Although he had authority over a huge nuclear arsenal, he could never say it correctly. It’s “new-cle-er,” dammit!,
    not “new-que-le-er”. But, that’s just a small personal annoyance I had with him.
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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Except for the fact that they use numbers based on when he was elected and not when he took office.

    That's dishonest from the get-go. What the **** was he supposed to do in November of 2008 when he wasn't in office?

    Notice: Data not available: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

    You'll note that by February 2009, unemployment had risen from 6.8% (not 6.7 as they claim in the article) to 8.2%.

    Then, in the same damn article, they change the numbers from 6.8% to 7.9% in the very next graph.

    Here's reality:

    Obama
    02/2009 - 8.2%
    11/2011 - 9.1%

    Increase in unemployment: 11%

    Reagan
    02/1981 - 7.4%
    11/1983 - 8.5%

    Increase in unemployment: 15%

    Let's look at the record of the president who actually oversaw the collapse of the economy:

    Bush 2
    02/2001 - 4.2%
    11/2003 - 6.0%

    Increase in unemployment: 43%

    This is what reality is: using the same numbers and same standards to make a comparison. I find it ironic they include Carter (because many consider him the worst, and his policies led to the bad economy Reagan inherited); but completely ignore Bush (when, in reality, many consider HIM the worst, and his policies led to the bad economy Obama inherited).

    The entire thing is disingenuous propaganda.

    Propaganda may be "interesting". But it never holds up to scrutiny.
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    **Numbers comes from data.BLS.gov** link always goes to "data not available, but you can look them up for accuracy.
    But but but that Messiah was going to save us (hope and change), and we let him spend $trillions....and yet things are worse. Obama is an imcompetent fool, and so is the Chicago crime machine he brought to DC with him.
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    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by rosie1 View Post
    I did not vote in the poll, because my fav wasn't on the list.

    Let’s try this again. My stupid computer disconnected from the forum and I lost all my rant about Bush!

    To me, Bush was the worst in my time. A few reasons are:
    1. He didn’t heed warning about Ben Laden (9/11 could have happened anyway) but we’ll never know. He was warned.
    2. Sent troops to Iraq starting war which killed something like 8,840 Americans, and ran up a huge debt. That cost wasn't
    added to his national budget.
    3. Took a budget surplus and, during his administration, changed it into a huge debt, for the next president to inherit.
    4. Encouraged the trend to ship more of our jobs overseas. Although, Obama hasn’t done much to correct this.
    5. Relaxed regulations on banks and Wall Street, which led to the current housing crisis and damaged the economy.
    6. Although he had authority over a huge nuclear arsenal, he could never say it correctly. It’s “new-cle-er,” dammit!,
    not “new-que-le-er”. But, that’s just a small personal annoyance I had with him.
    Clinton could have stop 9/11, too bad you don't know that.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by AdminX View Post
    Why is Obama constantly under the lense for possibly being the worse president in history. There's 50 or whatever Presidents and many of them SUCKED, Obama should be nowhere in the running for this.

    Guess what? I think that BECAUSE HE'S BLACK people are trying to somehow rationalize him being completely last in presidential history in order to push some underlined racist agenda that blacks can't hold up to the office of Presidency.

    Yea I said it
    For a few people it may be, but I think for most who make the claim that Obama is the worst president ever, it's political.

    Political hackery, to be precise.

    Personally, I think he's a weak president, and nowhere near the best we've had...but there's no way to tell how badly he will be viewed in the grand scope of things until some time after his presidency...

    Thus any statements like "worst president ever"...well, they seem stupid.
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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Clinton could have stop 9/11, too bad you don't know that.
    Yes, and I've heard Clinton say that one of his regrets was not getting Ben Laden. Shoulda, coulda, woulda, we will never know if that would have stopped 9/11 either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    And this is childish.
    It's childish to state that rating any of our most recent presidents as the worst ever is hackery? Or is it only "hackery" and "childish" when someone who disagrees with your political leanings does it?

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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    But but but that Messiah was going to save us (hope and change), and we let him spend $trillions....and yet things are worse. Obama is an imcompetent fool, and so is the Chicago crime machine he brought to DC with him.
    We were going to spend trillions anyway, genius. We'd be saying the same thing about McCain if he had won the election. The size of the US government was already upwards of $1 trillion before Obama got into office, and since then the primary drive of the expansion of government and the debt has been healthcare costs.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by AdminX View Post
    Why is Obama constantly under the lense for possibly being the worse president in history. There's 50 or whatever Presidents and many of them SUCKED, Obama should be nowhere in the running for this.

    Guess what? I think that BECAUSE HE'S BLACK people are trying to somehow rationalize him being completely last in presidential history in order to push some underlined racist agenda that blacks can't hold up to the office of Presidency.

    Yea I said it
    There have been forty-three presidents and quite a few of them have ranged from lackluster to truly horrible. Serious-minded people who rate our current president among those do so on the basis of his record, not his skin color. Can you provide even anecdotal examples of anyone on this board who has said Obama is one of the worst presidents in history because he is black?

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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackstone View Post
    It is hackery; as much as the assertion that George W. Bush is the worst ever.
    You are 100% correct on this. Again, we do not have enough time/perspective to accurately assess the impact of GWB's Presidency.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by rosie1 View Post
    Yes, and I've heard Clinton say that one of his regrets was not getting Ben Laden. Shoulda, coulda, woulda, we will never know if that would have stopped 9/11 either.
    Yeah, we'll never know that stopping the planner would have stopped the plan. The point is, you need to study more before blaming Bush for every ill. The housing problem started a long time ago, it doesn't happen in a couple years.
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    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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