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  • The presidents who let 500,000 Americans die needless in the Civil War

    9 14.75%
  • Hoover, who turned a recession into the Great Depression

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Thread: Worst Presidents

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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Nixon didn't let 500,000 Americans die needlessly because he was too much of a worthless pansy to make the hard decisions to prevent a civil war.
    I'm not sure that could have been avoided. Both sides had pretty much identified their liberty as under assault by the very actions they each took to protect themselves. Though Buchanan certainly doesn't escape his own blame for utter failure to act.

    So I'll vote Hoover. Who did indeed take a recession and help turn it into a Depression.

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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    In bold. Good. Now you understand why your opinion is based on nothing but partisanship... no actual evidence at all. All other Presidents, with the exception of GWB, we can examine their Presidency from an impactual basis. Since we do not know what long term impact Obama's Presidency will have, we cannot... unless your partisanship blinds you to this analysis.
    LMAO...you say, since I can't prove the future I can't have an opinion about current policies without being partisan. That's statement is so silly I will move on since it is too juvenile for me to debate.
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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Conservative said "No one can change the reality that Jimmy Carter is smiling these days as Obama will replace him as our worst President in modern history. "

    Let's see who agrees with him.
    My list

    1-Herbert C. Hoover great depression
    2-William Clinton- free trade agreement with China
    3-Ronald W. Reagan trickle down economics,tripling the deficit,Iran-Contra Affair
    4-George W. Bush- failure to lead,Iraq war,9/11,recession
    5-Andrew Johnson's decision just after the Civil War to side with Southern whites and oppose improvements in justice for Southern blacks beyond abolishing slavery.

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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    My list

    1-Herbert C. Hoover great depression
    2-William Clinton- free trade agreement with China
    3-Ronald W. Reagan trickle down economics,tripling the deficit,Iran-Contra Affair
    4-George W. Bush- failure to lead,Iraq war,9/11,recession
    5-Andrew Johnson's decision just after the Civil War to side with Southern whites and oppose improvements in justice for Southern blacks beyond abolishing slavery.
    I may not agree with your list, but you've named names and given sound reasons. Thank you.

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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Interesting thread, Dave...

    Though I respect them for answering the call of duty to serve the nation they loved, my picks for the five worst presidents are:

    1. W. Harding (scandal ridden presidency, no need for that)
    2. H. Hoover (ignorance/mis-management of all the signs pointing to a major financial disaster pending doom on his fellow citizens)
    3. A. Johnson (refusal to see Lincoln's vision through on a more tolerant South)
    4. L. Johnson (lame duck while his party and nation imploded around him, rather than exhibiting unifying leadership)
    5. J. Carter ( drew way too many lines in the sand/thus weak on Foreign Policy--somewhere up there in heaven Teddy Roosevelt must have been rolling his eyes...)

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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    LMAO...you say, since I can't prove the future I can't have an opinion about current policies without being partisan. That's statement is so silly I will move on since it is too juvenile for me to debate.
    You can have an opinion on current policies all you want. You cannot predict with absolute certainty what those policies will look like in 10 years. You have allowed your partisanship to trump any semblance of logic. No wonder you'll "move on". Discussing this further would be quite humiliating for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Worst Presidents

    There were presidents who were incredibly incompetent

    and there were presidents who achieved most of what they wanted


    and despite those polar opposite positions, either group could be "worst"

    Andrew Johnson, Jimmy carter, and Warren Harding were rotten presidents because they were inept.

    Wilson, LBJ and FDR were rotten presidents because they achieved what they wanted.

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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    There were presidents who were incredibly incompetent

    and there were presidents who achieved most of what they wanted


    and despite those polar opposite positions, either group could be "worst"

    Andrew Johnson, Jimmy carter, and Warren Harding were rotten presidents because they were inept.

    Wilson, LBJ and FDR were rotten presidents because they achieved what they wanted.
    And this is why there is such consistency in one group, and such diveristy in the other. The first group, Johnson, Carter, and Harding... and Buchanan, too, are seen as universally inept. The second, Wilson, LBJ, FDR... and adding Reagan and Coolidge are either seen as rotten or great, depending on whether you agree or don't agree with what they wanted to achieve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by AlanF View Post
    Interesting thread, Dave...

    Though I respect them for answering the call of duty to serve the nation they loved, my picks for the five worst presidents are:

    1. W. Harding (scandal ridden presidency, no need for that)
    2. H. Hoover (ignorance/mis-management of all the signs pointing to a major financial disaster pending doom on his fellow citizens)
    3. A. Johnson (refusal to see Lincoln's vision through on a more tolerant South)
    4. L. Johnson (lame duck while his party and nation imploded around him, rather than exhibiting unifying leadership)
    5. J. Carter ( drew way too many lines in the sand/thus weak on Foreign Policy--somewhere up there in heaven Teddy Roosevelt must have been rolling his eyes...)
    GWBush-Torture, lies, 9/11, Iraq, mercenaries galore, Patriot Act, rendition, Initiated economic disaster
    RonnieReagan-"Deficits don't matter" mentality, service jobs as manufacturing, shipped jobs overseas, Out of the loop by his own admission
    Wilson-Allowed the Federal Reserve Corporation to insinuate itself into our banking
    Harding-absolutely corrupt
    Hoover-like GWBush started a Great Depression

    I liked Jimmy Carter because even then I knew Global Warming had to be addressed seriously as an International crisis. He was not a Washington insider so he couldn't get anything done.

    I liked Ike and his highway system was a master stroke. His MilitaryIndustrial complex warning was prophetic.

    I liked Truman. Everyone acknowledged his honesty. Have you even suspected that virtue in any current politician?

    I didn't like or trust Nixon, but he needs great credit for communicating with China. I think he was sandbagged by his own CIA people.

    Any leader that does not recognize Global Warming and attempt to mitigate it with local job programs to de-centralize big energy systems is Corporate-owned and doomed to failure in the history books. (that is an opinion, of course, but heartfelt and time will tell)

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    Re: Worst Presidents

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And this is why there is such consistency in one group, and such diveristy in the other. The first group, Johnson, Carter, and Harding... and Buchanan, too, are seen as universally inept. The second, Wilson, LBJ, FDR... and adding Reagan and Coolidge are either seen as rotten or great, depending on whether you agree or don't agree with what they wanted to achieve.
    exactly....

    the inept ones had less long term damage to the country

    Wilson gave us the income tax and FDR destroyed the boundaries between state and the federal government and made the tenth amendment and afterthought

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