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Get White Boy Drunk: Is That Racist?

White Boy Drunk: Racist or Not?

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Thunder said:
i don't feel sad. but it makes me sad when I see black people call each other nigger and insult each other by saying "your mom is soo black.."
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Because you are much too sophisticated and refined to make "your momma" jokes... right, Thunder? :lol:
 
Thunder said:
i don't feel sad. but it makes me sad when I see black people call each other nigger and insult each other by saying "your mom is soo black.."
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Would it be insulting if I met Wesley Snipes and I said "you are soooo black?"
 
Kali said:
I was watching Bridezillas on TV and this black couple had just gotten married and was asked in interview what you want to do now? The black groom replied get white boy drunk. Do you feel that is racist or not?

I do not cause he did not seem to say it in hate and there is that whole song about getting white boy crazy. What do you think? One my white friends say it was racist but she said the Bridezilla was lucky he showed up at all.
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If he had said "Get injun drunk" would it have been racist? It implies a stereotype...it's racist.
 
Thunder said:
i don't feel sad. but it makes me sad when I see black people call each other nigger and insult each other by saying "your mom is soo black.."
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Even though I'm weary, I'm going to defend you here because I understand the sort of comments you're talking about. It's a HUGE thing in much of the black community to associate darker skin with inferiority. There seems to be quite a few people attacking you here for pointing that out either because they don't know the context or they're willfully ignoring it.

The only thing I object to is your consistent attempts to characterize such phrases absolutely racist and self-loathing when they can be neither in certain contexts. Nonetheless, I believe that you are pointing to phrases that exist in the black community like "good hair/bad hair" and the dichotomy of "light skin" vs "dark skin" where the latter is considered to be a mark of inferiority. And you're right, oftentimes those phrases are based in self-hatred in spite of the fact that a lot of people are trying to pretend that you're crazy for saying so.
 
theplaydrive said:
...Nonetheless, I believe that you are pointing to phrases that exist in the black community like "good hair/bad hair" and the dichotomy of "light skin" vs "dark skin" where the latter is considered to be a mark of inferiority. And you're right, oftentimes those phrases are based in self-hatred in spite of the fact that a lot of people are trying to pretend that you're crazy for saying so.
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nappy hair is bad, straight hair is good.

darker skin is bad..lighter skin is good.

this self-hatred within the black community stems directly from slavery & Jim Crow.
 
Thunder said:
nappy hair is bad, straight hair is good.

darker skin is bad..lighter skin is good.

this self-hatred within the black community stems directly from slavery & Jim Crow.
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Pale skin is bad.... Tan skin is good....
Frizzy Hair is bad......Smooth Hair is good.....

This self-hatred within the white community stems directly from.............??
 
Caine said:
Pale skin is bad.... Tan skin is good....
Frizzy Hair is bad......Smooth Hair is good.....

This self-hatred within the white community stems directly from.............??
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yes, keep playing games and deny factual elements of black culture.
 
Thunder said:
yes, keep playing games and deny factual elements of black culture.
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Black Culture is that.... BLACK Culture...

If Blacks[/B] decide that really dark skin is not attractive and nappy hair is not attractive then that is the decision that they have made.........


Contrary to your belief, Whitey is not responsible for all problems.
 
Caine said:
Black Culture is that.... BLACK Culture...

If Blacks[/B] decide that really dark skin is not attractive and nappy hair is not attractive then that is the decision that they have made.........
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right, and this has nothing to do with slavery & segregation.

;)
 
Thunder said:
right, and this has nothing to do with slavery & segregation.

;)
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Correct. It has nothing to do with slavery and segregation.............
 
Thunder said:
right, and this has nothing to do with slavery & segregation.

;)
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I'm constantly amazed at some of the willful ignorance people chose to show. You're absolutely right. Ideas of good hair or the badness of black skin come directly from internalized racism. Good hair is hair that is most similar to "white hair" and light skin is better than dark because it's closer to white skin. Both value judgments come from a history where lighter skinned blacks were generally treated better on plantations, in society after slavery and where all things "white" were considered superior to all things black.

I don't why people are trying to deny the reality of this. It's really not even a big deal. Accept it and move on.
 
theplaydrive said:
That's a laughably ignorant thing to say.
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I don't think it is. It had to do with slavery, it now has to do with the same shallow thinking that any other appearance driven stigma has.
 
theplaydrive said:
That's a laughably ignorant thing to say.
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Any proof?

Oh, you showed your hand a post earlier
I'm constantly amazed at some of the willful ignorance people chose to show. You're absolutely right. Ideas of good hair or the badness of black skin come directly from internalized racism. Good hair is hair that is most similar to "white hair" and light skin is better than dark because it's closer to white skin. Both value judgments come from a history where lighter skinned blacks were generally treated better on plantations, in society after slavery and where all things "white" were considered superior to all things black.

I don't why people are trying to deny the reality of this. It's really not even a big deal. Accept it and move on.
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To which I say...


That isn't proof... thats just a guess conjured up to support your theory so you can keep on with the racism truck.
 
Thunder said:
ask mac, he just agreed with me above.
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You are the primary person making the claim...

YOU provide proof of YOUR claim.
 
mac said:
I don't think it is. It had to do with slavery, it now has to do with the same shallow thinking that any other appearance driven stigma has.
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I disagree. I agree that it ties into the same shallow thinking that motivates pale white people to require tanning and all that, but that's the surface issue. When you ask the question, "why do X people believe Y about their appearance?" the answer goes far beyond, "they're just shallow" because "they're just shallow" does not explain why they prefer X type of hair color over Y or A skin color over B. It's the "why" that I'm getting at and the answer to that question is an integral aspect some blacks determination of good/bad skin color and hair type.

The desire of some Chinese people to have their skin whitened is rooted in a historical association with white skin as superior because wealthy Chinese (particularly women) stayed indoors without getting tans and poorer, less 'feminine' members of society were out on the fields. Similarly, the desire of some blacks to have lighter skin is rooted in the idea that white is better than black. It's impossible to get away from the origins of such ideas when discussing those ideas.
 
theplaydrive said:
I disagree. I agree that it ties into the same shallow thinking that motivates pale white people to require tanning and all that, but that's the surface issue. When you ask the question, "why do X people believe Y about their appearance?" the answer goes far beyond, "they're just shallow" because "they're just shallow" does not explain why they prefer X type of hair color over Y or A skin color over B. It's the "why" that I'm getting at and the answer to that question is an integral aspect some blacks determination of good/bad skin color and hair type.

The desire of some Chinese people to have their skin whitened is rooted in a historical association with white skin as superior because wealthy Chinese (particularly women) stayed indoors without getting tans and poorer, less 'feminine' members of society were out on the fields. Similarly, the desire of some blacks to have lighter skin is rooted in the idea that white is better than black. It's impossible to get away from the origins of such ideas when discussing those ideas.
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The racism had it's foundations in slavery and segregation, certainly, but it is perpetuated by ignorance. Like any stereotype, there was some "reason" that it came into being, but that reason is usually not what perpetuates the stereotype. Further, the height of the light skin/dark skin thing has passed. Being light skinned myself, I experienced some of that animosity in my younger years, but can honestly say I've seen none of it in my adult years.
 
Caine said:
That isn't proof... thats just a guess conjured up to support your theory so you can keep on with the racism truck.
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So why do you think some blacks consider skin tone and hair texture that more closely resembles white people superior to darker skin/natural hair?
 
theplaydrive said:
So why do you think some blacks consider skin tone and hair texture that more closely resembles white people superior to darker skin/natural hair?
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What makes you think that any still do? Because they straighten their hair? White women do that...because they braid their hair? white women do that too....you are confusing cosmetics with racism and self loathing...or at least the source of the self loathing.
 
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