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    Stop and Frisk practices

    So I have heard this term recently "stop and frisk" and wondered what my fellow DP members thought about it.

    Should the police have the right to stop you, pat you down and then release you.

    Only 10 percent of stops led to summonses or arrests. The overwhelming majority of New Yorkers questioned and frisked by the NYPD were engaged in no criminal wrongdoing.
    Stop and Frisk Practices | New York Civil Liberties Union (NYCLU) - American Civil Liberties Union of New York State

    In my mind, I see a police car pulling up next to a you as you are walking on the sidewalk, they get out and say put your hands on the car then proceed to ask you some questions as they are patting you down/looking though your belongings and after they don't find anything wrong with you or your belongings they say have a nice day, move along now.

    Should this be legal ?
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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    Quote Originally Posted by mattillac View Post
    So I have heard this term recently "stop and frisk" and wondered what my fellow DP members thought about it.

    Should the police have the right to stop you, pat you down and then release you.

    Stop and Frisk Practices | New York Civil Liberties Union (NYCLU) - American Civil Liberties Union of New York State

    In my mind, I see a police car pulling up next to a you as you are walking on the sidewalk, they get out and say put your hands on the car then proceed to ask you some questions as they are patting you down/looking though your belongings and after they don't find anything wrong with you or your belongings they say have a nice day, move along now.

    Should this be legal ?
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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    Quote Originally Posted by mattillac View Post
    In my mind, I see a police car pulling up next to a you as you are walking on the sidewalk, they get out and say put your hands on the car then proceed to ask you some questions as they are patting you down/looking though your belongings and after they don't find anything wrong with you or your belongings they say have a nice day, move along now.

    Should this be legal ?
    No, cops should be required to have reasonable suspicion before being able to intercede like that. It should be completely illegal from them to be able to do this at random with no proof or indication that the individual is breaking a law.
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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    Stop you and ask you a few questions? Absolutely. Put their hands on you? Not without a damned good reason.

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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, cops should be required to have reasonable suspicion before being able to intercede like that. It should be completely illegal from them to be able to do this at random with no proof or indication that the individual is breaking a law.

    That. It is beyond ridiculous. I couldn't do **** like that as a SC cop.

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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    I would be opposed to this outside of having some reasonable cause to at least suspect a person.
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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    Yes, it's fine as long as the person gives their consent to the frisk. I believe this is what's referred to as a voluntary encounter. Without consent though, you need reasonable suspicion to detain and frisk and probable cause to arrest/search.
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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    Better have probable cause in my opinion. If an officer stops me and says he want's to ask questions because a guy fitting my description robbed a convenience store I will happily answer questions as I didn't do it, as well if I fit a description it is understandable that the officer would be concerned for his own safety so I could see a frisk being necessary. Just for walking down the street? OH HELL NO!
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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    You know, this reminds me of the checkpoints. In my state we have them for insurance/safety checks and OWI checks which I find ridiculous, they will literally stop the flow of traffic to test everyone who happens to be on the road, being on the road is NOT probable cause. In fact, when I was still working at a radio station in town I went on an emergency run when one of the feeds went off-air, this was during consumption peak hours and went through a checkpoint, the officers were actually pissed off that I was sober and "wasted their time", they looked at me like I had no business on the road.
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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Yes, it's fine as long as the person gives their consent to the frisk. I believe this is what's referred to as a voluntary encounter. Without consent though, you need reasonable suspicion to detain and frisk and probable cause to arrest/search.
    I have been in the position of being pulled over and asked if they have permission to search my car. They put a lot of pressure on you, and if you indicate you would rather not, they start with threatening to hold you up while they get a warrant. Walking up to some one and asking for permission without some kind of cause is very iffy at best, and can be abused too easily.
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