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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think that there are plenty of good traffic laws out there to increase safety and that driving, while it shouldn't be forced to come with 'implied consent" (which was just something the State made up in order to get around that pesky 4th amendment), it does not mean you can break all the laws. I don't understand why your examples and dissent have to be made to be so absurd. You could argue reasonably.
    You first.

    Ikari, I've never seen you support any law enforcement action. I mean, your sig pretty much indicates where you stand. Anything short of complete lawlessness, you take as evidence that we're headed for a police state.

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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    That's what is said, I had an officer shine his light into my vehicle without any cause, I know he didn't smell anything on me because I didn't have a drink that night, as well they only advertise that they are conducting a search, in a large area that is not sufficient for avoidance.
    I'm pretty sure it has to be exact. They can't state that they are going to search Main county. It has to be a specific site. Rt 33 1 mile before Rt 256.

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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    You first.

    Ikari, I've never seen you support any law enforcement action. I mean, your sig pretty much indicates where you stand. Anything short of complete lawlessness, you take as evidence that we're headed for a police state.
    This is more unreasonable argument on your part. You engage so liberally in hyperbole. I'm not an anarchist, nor have I ever claimed. My sig doesn't mean I want lawlessness, it means to watch out and don't trust the government nor its goons. At some point these silly and childish exaggerations should stop if you're interested in real debate.
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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    This is more unreasonable argument on your part. You engage so liberally in hyperbole. I'm not an anarchist, nor have I ever claimed. My sig doesn't mean I want lawlessness, it means to watch out and don't trust the government nor its goons. At some point these silly and childish exaggerations should stop if you're interested in real debate.
    Just so I'm clear, all cops are goons? Why don't you actually look at the positions I've posted in this thread and tell me what's so unreasonable about them? Is the fact that I believe law enforcement should actually have some tools to, y'know, enforce laws?

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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Just so I'm clear, all cops are goons? Why don't you actually look at the positions I've posted in this thread and tell me what's so unreasonable about them? Is the fact that I believe law enforcement should actually have some tools to, y'know, enforce laws?
    Your unreasonableness comes in your continued misrepresentation of what I say. Claiming I'm some form of anarchist who doesn't want law; when all I want is a properly controlled government. Heaven forbid.
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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I'm pretty sure it has to be exact. They can't state that they are going to search Main county. It has to be a specific site. Rt 33 1 mile before Rt 256.
    That's what they are supposed to do here, but they went from doing the proper approximation of the street and block to saying "somewhere in the area" as in "well, we said it's gonna be somewhere in the parish between __p.m. and __a.m." no one is calling them on it. I'm actually tempted on a sober night to cause them pure hell and waste resources to make a point, it's gotten abusive.
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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    If this is true, then it is illegal, since the officer would need more than "in a high crime area" alone to justify a stop and frisk. I'm sure there are some officers that make stuff up, which is wrong. And those incidents should be reported.

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    Not to mention, knowing whether the comment was actually made or not and is being reported exactly as intended from the person who made it.

    Such practices are definitely questionable as to their legality, especially if not being done for legitimate reasons.

    And, if the officer actually did handcuff the two mentioned in that story and ask them to dance to be let go, they should have reported him immediately, which was not mentioned if they did. And he should be reprimanded/punished/fired for such behavior.
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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Just so I'm clear, all cops are goons? Why don't you actually look at the positions I've posted in this thread and tell me what's so unreasonable about them? Is the fact that I believe law enforcement should actually have some tools to, y'know, enforce laws?
    The big problem is that you are arguing for police actions that supercede their actual legal authority. No one has said the police don't have a right to investigate and enforce laws within the bounds of their authority to do so. What people are saying is that if a police officer is going to stop someone they should have grounds to do so and not circumstantial BS such as "implied consent" "walking in a bad area", or "driving on the road during peak drinking hours" all of those are lousy reasons to stop someone who are going about their business.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    Isn't there some kind of ammendment about unfair search without probable cause?

    I think it might have been the fourth.
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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnMacCool View Post
    Isn't there some kind of ammendment about unfair search without probable cause?

    I think it might have been the fourth.
    That's why they ask (read: intimidate) you into voluntarily waiving your rights.

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