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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Just because something stops traffic doesn't make it a traffic stop.
    You are correct. But stopping traffic to inquire about any level of lawbreaking from speeding to other offenses is a traffic stop, checkpoints are nothing but overblown unwarranted traffic stops with no prior probable cause.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    So if an officer shows up to your house with his hand on his weapon while standing in your door and asks to "come in and take a look, just for giggles" you wouldn't feel a little threatened. Let's say you tell him to **** off and he says "K, I'll just wait here till the judge faxes me a warrant, I'll be a little more thorough then since I have the time, hope your stuff doesn't get ruined" you wouldn't feel a little compelled to comply?
    What probable cause is he going to be able to base getting a search warrant on?

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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    A checkpoint is a traffic stop, it's just that they stop all traffic and you have less due process rights than a normal one.
    The official line is that these checkpoints are voluntary. Just try telling the officer that, or making a u-turn to avoid the checkpoint, that and see how it works out for ya.

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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    As long as they have probabal cause, sure.
    What if probable cause is you merely walking down the street in a neighborhood that has had a street crime committed in the past(most neighborhood have IMO)?



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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    What probable cause is he going to be able to base getting a search warrant on?
    Exactly... he shouldn't be there and asking to begin with. There's a connection here.

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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    There's something not right about requiring a person to waive their Constitutional rights just to take part in an otherwise legal activity (i.e.: driving, etc.).

    Spare me the "driving is a privilege, not a right" claptrap. Being free from unnecessary search and seizure without or a warrant for ANY crime is a right... though lately I'm starting to wonder.
    I see. So no arrest or search should ever occur without a warrant?

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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    What probable cause is he going to be able to base getting a search warrant on?
    Who knows, he could do the same thing Redress was speaking of and say he suspects drug activity based on your behavior, you don't have to be doing anything wrong but the officer may just be one of the bad, nosy ones who just feels like letting his ass show that day.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Exactly... he shouldn't be there and asking to begin with. There's a connection here.
    Ok, so tell him to go if it happens to you. He's not doing anything wrong by just talking to you, so long as you're willing to stand there and talk to him.

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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    The official line is that these checkpoints are voluntary. Just try telling the officer that, or making a u-turn to avoid the checkpoint, that and see how it works out for ya.
    They don't even say that here, they say you must make an effort to pass through and cannot evade, the only legal way around is if you have a location to get to prior to the checkpoint, even then a police officer has the right to stop if you turn off. It's complete BS.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Who knows, he could do the same thing Redress was speaking of and say he suspects drug activity based on your behavior, you don't have to be doing anything wrong but the officer may just be one of the bad, nosy ones who just feels like letting his ass show that day.
    He'll need to swear to and describe exactly what it is about my behavior that makes him believe there's drugs in my house.

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