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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    Crap. I voted NO when I meant YES because I misread the question.

    Police can question me if they have a reasonable belief that I may have witnessed something or I fit the discription of a perpetrator. They had better not put their hands on me unless they are putting me under arrest. To be able to frisk random people for no reason at all is not only subject to rampant abuse... I'd hate to be a stunning young woman with a body to die for... it's blatantly unconstitutional.

    Can somebody who really wants to vote NO vote YES instead, for me? Thanks!

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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    So being on the road is implying consent in your opinion? And how then does that trump due process and probable cause in a traffic stop? In other words if I am working and on the road at the same time as partiers, I am stone cold sober, not weaving in and out of lanes, and driving in a perfectly safe and legal manner then what would lead police to think it's okay to summarily stop me, flash their lights into the cab of my vehicle, and ask me a bunch of questions in an accusatory manner? What is the justification past "the bars are open and serving while this guy is on the road"?
    My bad, you're talking about a traffic stop, where the police actually pull you over. I thought you were referring to checkpoints. I agree, in order to detain someone on a traffic stop, there needs to be reasonable suspicion. It's different for checkpoints which is where implied consent actually comes up.

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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Crap. I voted NO when I meant YES because I misread the question.

    Police can question me if they have a reasonable belief that I may have witnessed something or I fit the discription of a perpetrator. They had better not put their hands on me unless they are putting me under arrest. To be able to frisk random people for no reason at all is not only subject to rampant abuse... I'd hate to be a stunning young woman with a body to die for... it's blatantly unconstitutional.

    Can somebody who really wants to vote NO vote YES instead, for me? Thanks!
    I really was going to vote no, but I voted yes on your behalf.

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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    My bad, you're talking about a traffic stop, where the police actually pull you over. I thought you were referring to checkpoints. I agree, in order to detain someone on a traffic stop, there needs to be reasonable suspicion. It's different for checkpoints which is where implied consent actually comes up.
    A checkpoint is a traffic stop, it's just that they stop all traffic and you have less due process rights than a normal one.
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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I have been in the position of being pulled over and asked if they have permission to search my car. They put a lot of pressure on you, and if you indicate you would rather not, they start with threatening to hold you up while they get a warrant. Walking up to some one and asking for permission without some kind of cause is very iffy at best, and can be abused too easily.
    This was going to be my response, also. You beat me to it.

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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Crap. I voted NO when I meant YES because I misread the question.

    ..........Can somebody who really wants to vote NO vote YES instead, for me? Thanks!
    Sorry, I am a confusing one lol, as you probably already know.
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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    Quote Originally Posted by mattillac View Post
    So I have heard this term recently "stop and frisk" and wondered what my fellow DP members thought about it.

    Should the police have the right to stop you, pat you down and then release you.

    Stop and Frisk Practices | New York Civil Liberties Union (NYCLU) - American Civil Liberties Union of New York State

    In my mind, I see a police car pulling up next to a you as you are walking on the sidewalk, they get out and say put your hands on the car then proceed to ask you some questions as they are patting you down/looking though your belongings and after they don't find anything wrong with you or your belongings they say have a nice day, move along now.

    Should this be legal ?
    As long as they have probabal cause, sure.
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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    A checkpoint is a traffic stop, it's just that they stop all traffic and you have less due process rights than a normal one.
    Just because something stops traffic doesn't make it a traffic stop.

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    Re: Stop and Frisk practices

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Might ought to look up "implied consent".
    There's something not right about requiring a person to waive their Constitutional rights just to take part in an otherwise legal activity (i.e.: driving, etc.).

    Spare me the "driving is a privilege, not a right" claptrap. Being free from unnecessary search and seizure without or a warrant for ANY crime is a right... though lately I'm starting to wonder.

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