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    Re: The 99 % or 1%?

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    Big difference between stated, and proven.
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    Re: The 99 % or 1%?

    None of the above.
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    Re: The 99 % or 1%?

    I'm fairly wealthy (top 5% in South Korea), have seen my share of people getting beat up, people lying around starving and moneyless, and a very memorable incident where a destitute mother offered her child in a subway station, so that a person can take him away and feed him and give him a proper life.

    However, I disagree entirely with OWS. I can understand which way they are coming from, but from their lists of demands (which are already too vague and debatable), what I see here is not for the good of the country, but the good of themselves, and they have no concern whatsoever for the consequences of their actions. They protest greed, but what they want in the end, is money for themselves, so they're very hypocritical.

    In addition, there's no way they are the 99%. It's a very dishonest attempt at propaganda to make themselves look good.
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    Re: The 99 % or 1%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    I'm fairly wealthy (top 5% in South Korea), have seen my share of people getting beat up, people lying around starving and moneyless, and a very memorable incident where a destitute mother offered her child in a subway station, so that a person can take him away and feed him and give him a proper life.

    However, I disagree entirely with OWS. I can understand which way they are coming from, but from their lists of demands (which are already too vague and debatable), what I see here is not for the good of the country, but the good of themselves, and they have no concern whatsoever for the consequences of their actions. They protest greed, but what they want in the end, is money for themselves, so they're very hypocritical.

    In addition, there's no way they are the 99%. It's a very dishonest attempt at propaganda to make themselves look good.
    They don't have a list of demands. I'm not sure what you are talking about.
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    Re: The 99 % or 1%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    In addition, there's no way they are the 99%. It's a very dishonest attempt at propaganda to make themselves look good.
    the 99% in the US start at earning around $538,000 a year. Looking at the OWS crowds, I see very few small business owners, and quite a lot of 24-30 year olds that don't want to pay back their student debt.

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    Re: The 99 % or 1%?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    the 99% in the US start at earning around $538,000 a year. Looking at the OWS crowds, I see very few small business owners, and quite a lot of 24-30 year olds that don't want to pay back their student debt.
    Look a little closer. I'm part of the 99%, have filed schedule C more times than not, and don't even have a student loan.
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    Re: The 99 % or 1%?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Looking at the OWS crowds, I see very few small business owners, and quite a lot of 24-30 year olds that don't want to pay back their student debt.
    i suspect a lot more would be paying their student loan debt down if there were jobs available that would allow them to do so.

    instead, many have to move back home after college. i had to do so after grad school for a few months after i graduated in 1999. i was lucky enough to find a job at a warehouse for a few months until i could land something in my field. it's much more difficult now.; even the warehouse i worked at is closed. a lot of those jobs are gone.

    it's really pretty simple. either we hire people, or we support them publicly. i would rather see them hired even if it raises the price of consumer goods.

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    Re: The 99 % or 1%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i suspect a lot more would be paying their student loan debt down if there were jobs available that would allow them to do so.
    truth. the un and under employment rates for the 22-30 year old demographic is much worse than the national average. that's why i'm not not so sure of those who predict a continuing 2008-style pro-Obama surge into 2012; the excited college students making history in 2008 are the cynical embittered unemployed of 2012.

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    Re: The 99 % or 1%?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    truth. the un and under employment rates for the 22-30 year old demographic is much worse than the national average. that's why i'm not not so sure of those who predict a continuing 2008-style pro-Obama surge into 2012; the excited college students making history in 2008 are the cynical embittered unemployed of 2012.
    and to blame a crisis more than three decades in the making on someone who has held office for less than a tenth of that time would not be intellectually honest.

    a job search could be a prolonged endeavor even during the middle of the past decade for young people. i navigated that job market, as well.

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    Re: The 99 % or 1%?

    One of our younger kids is extremely independent and would not accept our help with her college expenses. She worked while attending college and got student loans. She graduated nearly three years ago and has still not been able to find a job in her field nor has she been able to find a job that pays a living wage. We are paying her student loans for now while she continues applying because there is no way she could pay them herself.

    Before anyone says my baby girl is lazy, isn't really looking for a job, etc. -- this is a kid worked 30 hours a week and was an honor student in college. She is extremely motivated and driven. She has applied for many hundreds of jobs in her field. The jobs just are not out there. As for jobs outside of her field - when employers see her education and GPA, they figure she won't stay in a decent job with their firm. She is left filling low-wage, high-turnover positions to live.

    My guess is a lot of the people defaulting on their student loans are in the same boat as our daughter and their parents are not in a financial situation to help them.

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