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    Re: The 99 % or 1%?

    99% vs 1%... does the name Custer have any meaning here?

    Actually, that's kinda the point. What could a tiny portion of the population possibly be doing to entitle them to so much of the benefits of everyone's labor? Folks who cure diseases, or feed the hungry, or invent a Mr. Fusion... them I could see earning a big slice of the pie. But not so much someone who's big achievement is making stock prices go up.
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    Re: The 99 % or 1%?

    That's what I thought. The mythical wealth you once had that someone else now has. Put out an APB for my second home. Yikes. I never had a second home. No problem. The 1% have second homes, so they must have stolen it from me.

    WTF?

    Who wants to give up what they have to follow those morons?

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    Re: The 99 % or 1%?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    YES! I knew we'd break you down eventually! Huraaaaah! Money for all!!!
    Haha you fell for it. *drops card*

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    Re: The 99 % or 1%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    No, you lumped them together, which is unadulterated bull.
    What I am saying is that they overlap in that they both represent frustration with the government, but OWS is more popular because it also represents frustration with corporations.

    This happens to you all the time. You knock out some zinger, but it doesn't actually relate to what the person is arguing. Like they'll say "I think 2+2 = 4" and your response will be "no it isn't, 6 * 2 is 12 you idiot"... You need to change something about how you're approaching these things. Maybe you just are glancing at posts and jumping to conclusions about what they're saying? Or maybe you are just replying too fast? I don't know man, but you've been doing it for years now and it is still clearly not working at all for you, so you need to get to the bottom of it and make some changes. Seriously man. I'm not trying to be a dick. I've spent many, many, hours debating politics with you over the last couple years and I am being totally honest with you. It is really something you need to nail down and take care of.

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    Re: The 99 % or 1%?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Ok, so the highest poll we've come up with they hit 41%. The highest poll for OWS is 54%. So, I'm not saying that OWS will turn into a Tea Party like political organization. Probably it won't. But posting approval ratings higher than the Tea Party did at it's peak... That's something worth taking note of. What the combination of the two tells me is that people are frustrated with the government- both agree on that, but even more of them are frustrated both with the government AND with the corporations. Political agendas that don't tackle the corporations only speak to half the problem IMO.
    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    What I am saying is that they overlap in that they both represent frustration with the government, but OWS is more popular because it also represents frustration with corporations.

    This happens to you all the time. You knock out some zinger, but it doesn't actually relate to what the person is arguing. Like they'll say "I think 2+2 = 4" and your response will be "no it isn't, 6 * 2 is 12 you idiot"... You need to change something about how you're approaching these things. Maybe you just are glancing at posts and jumping to conclusions about what they're saying? Or maybe you are just replying too fast? I don't know man, but you've been doing it for years now and it is still clearly not working at all for you, so you need to get to the bottom of it and make some changes. Seriously man. I'm not trying to be a dick. I've spent many, many, hours debating politics with you over the last couple years and I am being totally honest with you. It is really something you need to nail down and take care of.
    Not exactly what you said. I multiple quoted the original. The thinly veiled attempt to lump them together didn't work.

    So what did you have at one time that the "%1%" now has?
    Last edited by Reg; 10-21-11 at 03:12 AM.

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    Re: The 99 % or 1%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    However, altough I share their views on corporatism. I do not agree on the remainder of their views and think such protests are dangerous.
    At this point, their views on corporatism is all the movement stands for. Certainly many people amongst them have many conflicting views on all kinds of stuff, but that is what they share.

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Fact is, living standards in the US are high, and the ones protesting are not poor. People need to get more sensible expectations.
    High standard of living isn't an absolute number, it is relative to the overall economic success of the country. It isn't like there is a set list of things that constitutes a good standard of living and once that is reached, for the rest of history we will have no need to progress. As time goes on and the economy continues to grow, the amount of pie the people doing the work of growing it deserve goes up too.

    The US used to enjoy the highest standard of living in the world as recently as the early 90s. We were consistently ranked #1 in the world. Now we've fallen to #13. The median productivity of an American worker is an outstanding $97k/year. It has been steadily rising year after year. But our median income isn't following it. Our median income is presently $44k/year. Less than half what we're worth.

    Since the 60s the US's GDP per capita has gone up 400% in today's dollars, but the median income only 40%.

    During the entire Bush administration the median income for the top 1% went up a shocking 400%, but the median income for the other 99% actually FELL.

    The reality is that the US's workforce is producing more and more value each year, but that growth isn't being shared with the people accomplishing it. As the pie gets bigger instead of everybody's slices getting bigger, the slices of a tiny fraction of people are rapidly expanding while everybody else's stays the same size. And it isn't because they work hard and the rest of the people are lazy or whatever. Far from it. It is the rapidly increasing productivity of the 99% that is powering all that growth. The 99% are working incredibly hard and incredibly smart and they're producing more value for their employers every year. It's because the game has been set up in such a way that the growth is all getting diverted into the pockets of a very small number of people.

    THAT is what OWS is about. It's not about unbearable poverty, it is about not getting cut in on the profits we're creating.

    It bugs me that I have to specify this every single time, and I don't think you would need this, but for the sake of the right wingers here- that doesn't mean we need redistribution or socialism or whatever, it just means we need to ferret out those policies that are giving the super rich unfair advantages. Get rid of those, and things will go back to the normal state of affairs we've had for most of our country's history where a rising tide really does raise all ships. That's all we're asking for.
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    Re: The 99 % or 1%?

    Quote Originally Posted by jasonxe View Post
    Haha you fell for it. *drops card*
    Aww.... I was sure that was finally the big win and the check was in the mail...

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    Re: The 99 % or 1%?

    What are those policies and what did they have that they took away from you?

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    Re: The 99 % or 1%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I'm part of the 100%. We're all in this together.
    Nice to know you stand with the commies and nazis after all. The reality is... if you spent a week with most any of the 1%, immersed in their life, you would find they very much do not feel the same about you. You, like much of the rest of the 99% are nothing more than disposable tools.

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Sorry. I won't participate in this little civil war. If you want to whine about how some people have more money than you, then knock yourself out.

    But just a quick question....who are you supporting for President in 2012? A person who won't "deplete natural resources"?
    First, I think if someone is going to ask general information about someone else (vocation, who they'll vote for, what their sources are), they should offer up the same info of themselves in the same post.

    There was a name for people that said "I won't participate in this "little" civil war" at the outset of the revolution, which, btw, was as much about state favored corporations and the tyranny it produces as it was about representation, freedom and taxes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Communists are part of this group. Communists are leaders of this group. Communists are speakers of this group.

    Are all people in the group communists? Of course not.

    But to say that people are just "crying communist" for the sake of creating some sort of fear or something is entirely false. Communists (and Nazis, by the way) are part of this group. And many of the leaders (from the website, those who called for Sep 17 "day of rage", the creators and editors of the newspaper) have some very creepy goals for this country. To deny that is to deny reality.
    This absolutely cracks me up!!! Have you "researched" the origins of your own party affiliation, Libertarian? Do you know the number one reason why libertarianism never took off? Because the commies and nazis allied themselves with that movement. They are opportunistic parasites. And there is a much larger percentage of commies and nazis involved in the libertarian movement... so are you willing to accept the same thin label the right wing media is using you to try to stick? Just curious...

    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    I prefer to make it about liberty. OWS is not about liberty.
    Define liberty. Not your opinion, the definition. A major component of liberty is SELF DETERMINATION. Our representation has been wholly and completely subverted by monied interests, many operating as a corporate super citizen. By that I mean that the entire resources and wealth of a corporation (and I am speaking of the large "too big to fail", anti competitive, multi-national corps) is leveraged to give the owners and directors of that corporation an additional voice above and apart from the one they already have as an individual. The only way to protect the liberty and legitimate source of political power as the founders intended is to jealously guard Our representation as belonging to We the People, not the corporate super citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    The whole idea of 99 vs 1 is conflict oriented imo. Redistribution tends to be a common theme and I'm not a fan of that either, because of the government control required to execute.
    I never hear libs talking about how they want to redistribute anyones wealth... rather, they are pissed and want the wealth redistribution from the middle class to the 1% to stop.

    On the whole, Profits are up 400% over the decade. Directors salaries are up 110%. Wage earners have meanwhile suffered a 4% decline in earnings. The wealth redistribution has already happened... these folks just want it to stop!

    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    Absolutely. There is no other political philosophy that could drive it.
    It's not a political philosophy... as much as your media heroes would like to cast it as such. It's about anger, outrage, and action.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The green companies, too? Be honest!
    Name one large multi-national corporation that is green...

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    We are selling our means of production to a communist country and indebted to them to the tune of trillions of dollars. We are pretty much owned by a communist country at this point.
    Brilliant! Ahhhh... a clear eye!

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Let's see your "research".
    She cannot. Asks much of others, but she will dodge this. Two reasons... she hasn't really done any research but is parroting media tools who claim to have done the research... of course it's totally objective. And if she has checked into it, she hasn't looked past sites already "friendly" to her mindset and therefore knows she would be called on it.

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    Re: The 99 % or 1%?

    Five paragraphs of "it ain't fair and they have something I don't" and not damn policy named. Except the obligatory tax increase, probably.

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