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    Re: Thought regarding a tax system

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Whatever income our current income tax system considers income.



    Outside of the small deduction for children, no.

    As to your back and forth about consumption taxes, could you all perhaps take that to another thread rather than turn this one into a thread about consumption taxes?
    What is and is not considered income is where a lot of the problem is, maybe even most of it.

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    Re: Thought regarding a tax system

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    No, we have about 20 homes on this private drive. Itís about 3000 feet long because of a long curve and bridge that doesn't need to be there if it was public. The density matches another township road I can see from my house, i.e. it's typical for the area. I also have a long driveway that I pay to maintain.
    So why did you buy or build a house there?

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    Re: Thought regarding a tax system

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    ok......whay haven't any righties voted?
    Fixed.

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    Re: Thought regarding a tax system

    any system that forces the masses to pay more taxes anytime they want to jack up the taxes on the rich is better than the current system. it will retard the ability of dem politicians to pander to people by promising them more handouts paid for by more taxes on the rich

    when the masses start equating MORE GOVERNMENT with the masses having LESS MONEY, we will finally begin to get rid of the massive government malignancy we have now



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    Re: Thought regarding a tax system

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Okay, crazy thought in my head regarding a tax system.

    Liberals generally like a progressive tax that has the higher incomes paying a significantly higher amount and that is light on the poorer ones.

    Conservatives generally are wanting to have everyone have some skin in the game and avoid situations where only one bracket is getting played with due to mob rule.

    So what if we did this. We set 6 brackets and they are unmovable. Bracket 1 is our baseline bracket with each other bracket being X times higher than the baseline bracket. That number (X) can not be changed, and individual brackets can not be changed. The only way to change the tax is to affect the baseline bracket. It would look like this

    1) $0 - $24k . . . . . . . 1 (baseline)
    2) $24k - $72k . . . . . . Baseline * 2
    3) $72k - $144k . . . . . Baseline * 4
    4) $144k - $240k . . . . Baseline * 6
    5) $240k - $360k . . . . Baseline * 8
    6) $360k + . . . . . . . . Baseline * 10

    The only deduction would be from Chlidren. Your baseline is reduced by 6% per child (may of 4 children), with that 6% going down by 1 for each bracket you're in. So Bracket 1 would get the full 6% per, bracket 3 would be getting 4%, and bracket 6 would be 1% per.

    From there, politicians can still argue over taxes but only in regards to changing the baseline. If you want the upper bracket to pay 70% you can, however the poor will be paying 7% and middle class will be paying between 14% and 28%. Want to make the upper income brackets pay under 30%? Then the poor is going to be paying less than 3% taxes and the highest middle class tax would be under 12%.

    This would eliminate the ability for politicians to play to any particular base, pitting them against the other. Whether that be convincing everyone to go after the "rich" or doing a "pay off" to the wealthy by lowering their taxes. It would interject a bit of stability into our tax rate system as well and make it slightly less of a constant politicla issue. It'd also simplify the tax code immensely.

    You could set Capital Gains at say Baseline * 5 and leave it at that, taking Capital Gains also off the table as a political tool. Ditto for setting something like the Corporate Tax (Base * 5 as well)?

    So, what would your thoughts of this generalized tax scheme be? Like it? Dislike? Like the theory but not the numbers? Also, what would you push for the starting baseline to be?
    First, you can't cut all deductions except for children. There's now way people would be able to pay their taxes. It would be the same as cutting out all tax deductions for corporations and forcing them to pay taxes on 100% of their gross revenue. Individuals, like businesses would go in the hole every year and would be up to their necks in taxes for the rest of their lives.

    Second, this is no different than the system we already have in place.

    Third, there's no way that Liberals will ever accept a tax code where the poor pay their share and the rich don't pay more than their share.
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    Re: Thought regarding a tax system

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    this could be workable, but would it be the same as we have now, say, if you made 75k, you would be taxed at baseline * 2 for 72k, and baseline * 4 for the additional 3k? otherwise, there actually would be a huge disincentive to jump into the next bracket and would not seem to be fair at all.
    Welcome to our current tax code.
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    Re: Thought regarding a tax system

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Okay, crazy thought in my head regarding a tax system.

    Liberals generally like a progressive tax that has the higher incomes paying a significantly higher amount and that is light on the poorer ones.

    Conservatives generally are wanting to have everyone have some skin in the game and avoid situations where only one bracket is getting played with due to mob rule.

    So what if we did this. We set 6 brackets and they are unmovable. Bracket 1 is our baseline bracket with each other bracket being X times higher than the baseline bracket. That number (X) can not be changed, and individual brackets can not be changed. The only way to change the tax is to affect the baseline bracket. It would look like this

    1) $0 - $24k . . . . . . . 1 (baseline)
    2) $24k - $72k . . . . . . Baseline * 2
    3) $72k - $144k . . . . . Baseline * 4
    4) $144k - $240k . . . . Baseline * 6
    5) $240k - $360k . . . . Baseline * 8
    6) $360k + . . . . . . . . Baseline * 10

    The only deduction would be from Chlidren. Your baseline is reduced by 6% per child (may of 4 children), with that 6% going down by 1 for each bracket you're in. So Bracket 1 would get the full 6% per, bracket 3 would be getting 4%, and bracket 6 would be 1% per.

    From there, politicians can still argue over taxes but only in regards to changing the baseline. If you want the upper bracket to pay 70% you can, however the poor will be paying 7% and middle class will be paying between 14% and 28%. Want to make the upper income brackets pay under 30%? Then the poor is going to be paying less than 3% taxes and the highest middle class tax would be under 12%.

    This would eliminate the ability for politicians to play to any particular base, pitting them against the other. Whether that be convincing everyone to go after the "rich" or doing a "pay off" to the wealthy by lowering their taxes. It would interject a bit of stability into our tax rate system as well and make it slightly less of a constant politicla issue. It'd also simplify the tax code immensely.

    You could set Capital Gains at say Baseline * 5 and leave it at that, taking Capital Gains also off the table as a political tool. Ditto for setting something like the Corporate Tax (Base * 5 as well)?

    So, what would your thoughts of this generalized tax scheme be? Like it? Dislike? Like the theory but not the numbers? Also, what would you push for the starting baseline to be?
    Heck, that's the best tax proposal I've heard from a conservative in, like ever. Yeah, we could probably work something similar to this out. Idk about all the details, but those can be worked out. I'd like the baseline to be at like 50k and the top bracket to be at like 1 mil though. I'd say 200-300k usually qualifies as "upper middle class".

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    Re: Thought regarding a tax system

    I support any system that is better than the current system. This one is really good, because it unites the countr. The class warfare mantra is dividing the country.

    I agree, except that I think it should be addition and not multiplication. So the current american tax system is
    1) $0 - $24k . . . . . . . 5%
    2) $24k - $72k . . . . . .10%
    3) $72k - $144k . . . . .20%
    4) $144k - $240k . . . .30%
    5) $240k - $360k . . . .40%
    6) $360k + . . . . . . . . 50%

    And you need more revenue, then it will be nearly impossible to increase taxes, becuse the taxes for the rich will be too high. The solution is to add instead of multiply. So a 5% tax increase will be
    1) $0 - $24k . . . . . . . 10%
    2) $24k - $72k . . . . . .15%
    3) $72k - $144k . . . . .25%
    4) $144k - $240k . . . .35%
    5) $240k - $360k . . . .45%
    6) $360k + . . . . . . . . 55%

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    Re: Thought regarding a tax system

    Quote Originally Posted by A.Pearce View Post
    I'd say 200-300k usually qualifies as "upper middle class".


    I would rather say 100 - 150K qualifies as upper middle class. If you earn more than that, then you are pretty rich.

    If I start working in New Zealand, I will earn about 40K USD per year in the begining. For me that is a lot of money, because I spend about 7000 USD per year . Prices in New Zealand are not lower than America.

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    Re: Thought regarding a tax system

    Abolish the sales tax. Abolish the income tax for those making less than $500,000 a year. A flat tax for everyone above. That sounds perfect to me.

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