View Poll Results: What is the most important goal of tax collection?

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  • Collect necessary revenue in such a way as to maximize growth

    11 68.75%
  • Collect necesssary revenue in such a way as to incentivize positive behaviors

    3 18.75%
  • Collect revenue in such a way as to redistribute wealth

    2 12.50%
  • Collect revenue in such a way as to minimize wage disparity

    0 0%
  • Collect Revenue from certain groups and not from others

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    Re: What is the purpose of taxation?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    true, the vast majority of people in prison are those who are tied to the war on drugs meaning if we got rid of that nonsense we could reserve jail cells for the real scum-rapists serial killers child molesters and other truly evil people
    We spend 6 times per capita on jails than we do on education. Little will change until we get our priorities straight. Viva la revolution!
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    Re: What is the purpose of taxation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    lol u mad



    OK. You'd have to convince me that the magnitude of government spending is a bad thing, before Turtle Dude's criticism of progressive taxation would mean anything to me.
    Hah, I don't have to convince you of a damn thing. You convince me, it's on you to justify every penny spent buddy. Chop chop.
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    Re: What is the purpose of taxation?

    Nice loaded question. The answer I would give is, "Collect revenue in such a way as to equalize opportunity." That's not the same thing as wealth redistribution, and it's also not necessarily the same thing as maximizing growth, although it can be similar to both those things in some circumstances. As you said, though, when growth conflicts with equal opportunity, opportunity should win every time.
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    Re: What is the purpose of taxation?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Hah, I don't have to convince you of a damn thing. You convince me, it's on you to justify every penny spent buddy. Chop chop.
    If you don't actually have anything to contribute then you shouldn't butt in to someone else's discussion in the first place. It's a waste of your time and mine.
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    Re: What is the purpose of taxation?

    The purpose of taxation is to pay for those services we as a country democratically decide the government should offer.

    The method of taxation should be both efficient and fair. There is no point taxing poor people if the government is just going to return the money to them in the form of food stamps, medicaid, SSD, etc. The portion each class of individuals is required to pay should be designed to effect an equivalent "hardship" or dent in everyone's pockets across the board, wealthy or poor. That way, everyone should be able to have an honest and informed discussion about what programs they would be willing to spend money on.
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    Re: What is the purpose of taxation?

    At its core, the most important goal of tax collection is to collect revenues necessary to protect or enrich those who are collecting the tax.

    You can be sure that if someone wants taxes from you,
    it's not to
    maximize growth or
    incentivize positive behaviors

    but it may be to
    redistribute (your) wealth, or
    minimize (their) wage disparity

    or, as they attempt to increase their own power, to collect revenue from certain groups and not from others.

    Taxation, from the beginning of time, has needed to be severely regulated in order to avoid destruction, class warfare, and a life of slavery to others. Freedom and taxation are inversely related. The more closely related an individual's success or failure is to the will of the taxing body, the less freedom and personal satisfaction that individual experiences.
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    Re: What is the purpose of taxation?

    I need to do a write in Poll Answer.....What is the most important reason for Tax Collection





    TO MAKE TURTLEDUDEs LIFE UTTERLY MISERABLE

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    Re: What is the purpose of taxation?

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenvilleGrows View Post
    Taxation, from the beginning of time, has needed to be severely regulated in order to avoid destruction, class warfare, and a life of slavery to others. Freedom and taxation are inversely related. The more closely related an individual's success or failure is to the will of the taxing body, the less freedom and personal satisfaction that individual experiences.
    High-tax countries like Denmark, Norway, and Sweden regularly report some of the highest levels of personal satisfaction anywhere in the world. You can find slightly different rankings depending on which list you look at and how it's measured, but these countries seem to be in the top 10 pretty consistently. If there is an inverse relationship between taxation and happiness, it certainly doesn't show up in the surveys.

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    Re: What is the purpose of taxation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    High-tax countries like Denmark, Norway, and Sweden regularly report some of the highest levels of personal satisfaction anywhere in the world. You can find slightly different rankings depending on which list you look at and how it's measured, but these countries seem to be in the top 10 pretty consistently. If there is an inverse relationship between taxation and happiness, it certainly doesn't show up in the surveys.

    In Pictures: The World's 10 Happiest Countries - The World's 10 Happiest Countries - Forbes.com
    World's Happiest Countries 2010: Forbes.com
    The Happiest Countries in the World - Bruce Stokes - Business - The Atlantic
    What’s the Happiest Country in the World? Not the United States - TIME NewsFeed
    The World's Happiest Countries
    Allow me to expand on that by saying that if someone's working 12 hour days with no hope of advancement just to survive, their personal satisfaction probably isn't real high, and they don't have very much freedom either, no matter what it says on paper somewhere.
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    Re: What is the purpose of taxation?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Obviously you want a tax code that accomplishes multiple things; but when two goals conflict, one has to win. So what, at the end of the day, wins?
    All of your choices are WRONG. The purpose of taxation is to provide minimum but adequate revenue for these three things ONLY.

    1. Legitimate national defense (Does NOT include meddling abroad and empire building).
    2. A legitimate justice system (Does NOT include abusive, overbearing or unconstitutional law enforcement).
    3. Legitimate infrastructure such as roads, courthouses, military bases, etc. (Does NOT include the multitudes of things that belong in the private sector--welfare, education, wealth distribution or equalization, anti-poverty, health care, incentives, foreign aid, etc.).

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