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  • Collect necessary revenue in such a way as to maximize growth

    11 68.75%
  • Collect necesssary revenue in such a way as to incentivize positive behaviors

    3 18.75%
  • Collect revenue in such a way as to redistribute wealth

    2 12.50%
  • Collect revenue in such a way as to minimize wage disparity

    0 0%
  • Collect Revenue from certain groups and not from others

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Thread: What is the purpose of taxation?

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    Re: What is the purpose of taxation?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you would be fibbing again. Martha Stewart went to jail for what?
    One or two exceptions does not change an overall trend. I know you're smarter than that, Turtle... The people that caused the recession are still walking around free. CEOs who embezzle billions of dollars and destroy companies, they don't get sent to prison. Wealthy war criminals are free and clear. Besides, Martha Stewart is a small fry. Movie stars, athletes, and celebrities are only exempted from sexual or drug-related prosecution... and, you know... murder (thanks, OJ). But they're not rich enough to get away with the money crimes. You have to be part of the business crime club to do that, and they don't like anyone else playing on their turf.

    David Duncan and Nancy Temple, the people behind Arthur Anderson and the coverups and Enron are both free. Nancy Temple even kept her license to practice law.

    The rich and the poor are clearly not treated the same way in our courts.
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    Re: What is the purpose of taxation?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Obviously you want a tax code that accomplishes multiple things; but when two goals conflict, one has to win. So what, at the end of the day, wins?
    I thought taxes were to pay for essential govt services per the Constitution.
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    Re: What is the purpose of taxation?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the problem with your "From each according to their ability" bit is while its politically favorable to tell the masses they won't be taxed enough to pay for what they want, what that attitude causes is the mess we are in today
    Really. Because I could have sworn wealth was more evenly distributed in the 1950s and 1960s when the economy was humming along quite nicely. In fact, the two most recent peaks in wealth disparity are the current period, and the period immediately preceding the Great Depression.

    most of america doesn't pay their fair share and thus they have no incentive to reign in government spending
    You'd have to first convince me that government spending is a bad thing, before that criticism would have any meaning at all.
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    Re: What is the purpose of taxation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Really. Because I could have sworn wealth was more evenly distributed in the 1950s and 1960s when the economy was humming along quite nicely. In fact, the two most recent peaks in wealth disparity are the current period, and the period immediately preceding the Great Depression.



    You'd have to first convince me that government spending is a bad thing, before that criticism would have any meaning at all.
    You like to play simpleton games don't you? The govt will always spend, genius. So your reference to govt spending is pure bull****. We're talking magnitude here and you know it.
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    Re: What is the purpose of taxation?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You like to play simpleton games don't you? The govt will always spend, genius.
    lol u mad

    So your reference to govt spending is pure bull****. We're talking magnitude here and you know it.
    OK. You'd have to convince me that the magnitude of government spending is a bad thing, before Turtle Dude's criticism of progressive taxation would mean anything to me.
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    Re: What is the purpose of taxation?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    we can hire private security, the poor cannot. ever heard of "the pinkertons"

    the fact is most people victimized by crime are not the rich. and the poor are the most likely victims of murder

    so your fantasies are just that while I am pointing out facts that anyone who has a background in law enforcement would know
    The great majority of criminals in jail are not murderers, just ask a trial lawyer!
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    Re: What is the purpose of taxation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    One or two exceptions does not change an overall trend. I know you're smarter than that, Turtle... The people that caused the recession are still walking around free. CEOs who embezzle billions of dollars and destroy companies, they don't get sent to prison. Wealthy war criminals are free and clear. Besides, Martha Stewart is a small fry. Movie stars, athletes, and celebrities are only exempted from sexual or drug-related prosecution... and, you know... murder (thanks, OJ). But they're not rich enough to get away with the money crimes. You have to be part of the business crime club to do that, and they don't like anyone else playing on their turf.

    David Duncan and Nancy Temple, the people behind Arthur Anderson and the coverups and Enron are both free. Nancy Temple even kept her license to practice law.

    The rich and the poor are clearly not treated the same way in our courts.
    The people who caused the recession are almost impossible to identify in total let alone prove committed criminal acts.

    the poor use the court system far more than the rich do. when poor people sue corporations and win, the corporations have to pay their legal fees in federal courts. when the corporations win, the corporations still have to pay their own legal fees.

    who are the war criminals you talk about

    the police actually protect the poor rather than the rich. if there were no police the rich would have hired killers dealing with crooks as they have done in many societies for many ages.



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    Re: What is the purpose of taxation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The great majority of criminals in jail are not murderers, just ask a trial lawyer!
    true, the vast majority of people in prison are those who are tied to the war on drugs meaning if we got rid of that nonsense we could reserve jail cells for the real scum-rapists serial killers child molesters and other truly evil people



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    Re: What is the purpose of taxation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Really. Because I could have sworn wealth was more evenly distributed in the 1950s and 1960s when the economy was humming along quite nicely. In fact, the two most recent peaks in wealth disparity are the current period, and the period immediately preceding the Great Depression.



    You'd have to first convince me that government spending is a bad thing, before that criticism would have any meaning at all.
    back in the days when America had a monopoly on heavy manufacturing and our over priced labor had not real competition because all the other manufacturing nations didn't have the tools to make anything?



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    Re: What is the purpose of taxation?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    back in the days when America had a monopoly on heavy manufacturing and our over priced labor had not real competition because all the other manufacturing nations didn't have the tools to make anything?
    If this is a reference to free trade and globalization, I'm all for it. You won't find me arguing for any protectionism. Or, for that matter, heavy-handed union contracts. Or, for that matter, barriers to immigration. Get rid of them all and let the chips fall where they may...even if they fall in China. That doesn't change the fact that our economy needs a relatively egalitarian distribution of wealth in order to be successful over the long haul. If people can't afford to buy things, then companies can't make any money or hire any workers.
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