View Poll Results: What is the most important goal of tax collection?

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  • Collect necessary revenue in such a way as to maximize growth

    11 68.75%
  • Collect necesssary revenue in such a way as to incentivize positive behaviors

    3 18.75%
  • Collect revenue in such a way as to redistribute wealth

    2 12.50%
  • Collect revenue in such a way as to minimize wage disparity

    0 0%
  • Collect Revenue from certain groups and not from others

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    Re: What is the purpose of taxation?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    interesting. so you do not care if we have a national sales tax v a progressive income tax?
    That is not what I said. They do however both serve the same purpose, raising revenue for the government and it's programs. So if your question is what it is stated, what the tax is or how it is administered is irrelevant for the question.
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    Re: What is the purpose of taxation?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    and that is precisely why catawba is incorrect - and reducing wealth disparity is not equivalent to a progressive income tax code.
    You didn't say wealth disparity in your poll, you said wage disparity. Totally different in the context of taxation.
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    Re: What is the purpose of taxation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Because the government is not taking money from the rich and giving it to those at lower levels. The government is taxing the rich more to fund the government because they derive the most benefit from the services provided by the government.
    but that fails to match you earlier argument:

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba
    Collect necessary revenue needed without concentrating so much wealth at the top that it adversely affects the ability of middle class consumers to be consumers which is necessary for a prosperous economy.
    which A) seemingly requires redistribution of wealth and B) is based upon the flawed notion that for the rich to be rich, the middle class must be poorer.

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    Re: What is the purpose of taxation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is not what I said. They do however both serve the same purpose, raising revenue for the government and it's programs. So if your question is what it is stated, what the tax is or how it is administered is irrelevant for the question.
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    Re: What is the purpose of taxation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Because the government is not taking money from the rich and giving it to those at lower levels. The government is taxing the rich more to fund the government because they derive the most benefit from the services provided by the government.
    Actually the reasoning behind progressive taxation is to minimize the harm of taxation. The argument is that those who make more are less harmed by a higher tax level. To illustrate, if you are making just enough to pay your bills with your base salary and no taxes, any taxes at any level is very harmful. If you are making twice what you need for basic necessities, any tax rate under 50 % is less harmful than any tax at all on the first person.
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    Re: What is the purpose of taxation?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    that does it. i'm nominating you for asshat of the year award.




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    Re: What is the purpose of taxation?

    my bad - 'pologies.

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    Re: What is the purpose of taxation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Actually the reasoning behind progressive taxation is to minimize the harm of taxation. The argument is that those who make more are less harmed by a higher tax level. To illustrate, if you are making just enough to pay your bills with your base salary and no taxes, any taxes at any level is very harmful. If you are making twice what you need for basic necessities, any tax rate under 50 % is less harmful than any tax at all on the first person.
    Yes, I understand and agree with that. However, I also think there are other reasons a progressive tax system is important, which are explained very well below.

    "Arguments for and against progressive taxation often hinge on highly subjective arguments about "fairness". I believe, however, that it is best to consider progressive taxation on the more objective grounds of small government and sustainable taxation. I will argue that progressive taxation can keep government small by eliminating the need for social welfare programs. I will also argue that progressive taxation leads to more stable, sustained tax revenue, and helps prevent economic dysfunction."
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    Re: What is the purpose of taxation?

    I think Kori nailed it....

    Generate the necessary revenue while doing the least harm and being the least intrusive.

    I do think a progressive tax code helps with that, however not anywhere near what many on the left wish and I think there is harm in not having everyone have some skin in the game when it comes to an income tax.

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    Re: What is the purpose of taxation?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Obviously you want a tax code that accomplishes multiple things; but when two goals conflict, one has to win. So what, at the end of the day, wins?
    1. Maximizing growth does not necessarily mean that growth will be such that we will have a strong middle class, reduce poverty, or have low unemployment. Growth could be skewed, so its probably not my choice.
    2. This one is a good one, but it depends on what the positive behaviors are. If its a good wage and wealthy distribution, then probably, if its to stop people from smoking or drinking, I am less concerned with it. So I am not sure what is implied by this choice.
    3. Redistribution of wealth in itself is not necessarily positive. It depends on whether this redistribution creates economic growth and support the citizenry in their efforts to maintain good employment.
    4. This is a good one, but again, it depends on the method being used. We could all be poor and have low wage disparity or we could be well off and have less wage disparity.
    5. It depends on the goals it supports yet again.

    I think ultimately, we should support economic growth and a strong middle class to generate enough demand to maintain strong employment (and as much private sector employment as possible). That is going to need to borrow elements from all approaches.
    Last edited by tacomancer; 10-17-11 at 09:46 AM.

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