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Thread: Euthanasia for the use of humans.

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    Re: Euthanasia for the use of humans.

    It's all easy to say...until it's you!

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    Re: Euthanasia for the use of humans.

    Quote Originally Posted by coolwalker View Post
    It's all easy to say...until it's you!
    What ever do you mean by that?
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    Re: Euthanasia for the use of humans.

    Quote Originally Posted by coolwalker View Post
    It's all easy to say...until it's you!
    What would be "hard" is NOT having euthanasia as an option...when it's "me" on the deathbed. I'm arguing FOR euthanasia to make "easy" on "me."

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    Re: Euthanasia for the use of humans.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I do urge you to read the posts in this thread.
    You're right. I have read all the posts in this thread, now, and I probably should have done it earlier. Philosophically, euthanasia is a tough one for me. I totally understand the arguments for it. I had to have one of my dogs put down a while ago. I don't mean to compare the importance of death of an animal (although I do love my animals) to the importance of a death of a person, but I do understand why it's done, why I had to make that decision for my dog. Not because I wanted her to die, I wish I still had her here, but because she had suffered a bad brain injury and she would not get any better and, for her sake, I had to let her go.*

    All that being said, I, too, worry about somebody being made to feel like they're a burden and being "encouraged" to consider death. Also, I don't believe medical professionals should be required to do this if it's not what they believe in. I know that, due to my religious beliefs, I couldn't do it (then again I'm not in the medical profession). Speaking of religious beliefs, I also have a strong bias in favor of life.*

    Still, other than my experience with my dog, this is largely a theoretical and theological discussion for me (for now anyway), and I cannot be so arrogant as to say my theories and theology mean more than any persons actual experiences. I think this is an area where all I really have the right to do is make my decisions for my own life, as well as let the people I love know that I'd never consider caring for them a burden if it means I get to be around them for as long as possible. When and if it comes to a decision between life and death, *that that needs to be a decision between the person, their family and their God if they believe in one.

    On a personal note, DiAnna, I did not know your personal story until I read it here. It literally brought a lump to my throat. I totally understand and respect what you've posted on this and I hope I have written anything here that makes you think otherwise. *
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    Re: Euthanasia for the use of humans.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    I'd never ask someone who loved me. Seems like a terrible memory to leave them with.
    But on the other hand it could be a beautiful thing.. I mean if you are suffering and in pain and wish to go? Who better to do it than your loved ones? I think in cases of terminal illness that it may be better for them to take on that role to helping you slip away over watching you squrim around in pain . I think it could be a very beautiful thing and will go so far as to say an honor for someone to ask you to help them die and to make sure they die in the correct way.
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    Re: Euthanasia for the use of humans.

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    ...On a personal note, DiAnna, I did not know your personal story until I read it here. It literally brought a lump to my throat. I totally understand and respect what you've posted on this and I hope I have written anything here that makes you think otherwise. *
    You know I care for you Xy, but your beliefs do not make me think otherwise. I am dying, and your beliefs will make me suffer for months in a way you cannot understand unless you are in my skin, gasping for every breath, suffering for weeks, months, long beyond what you would allow a beloved pet to suffer. I have the right to die with dignity, at a time and in the maner of my own choosing. You do not understand the horror, the helplessness, the agony of my suffering. People have the right to decide when and how they will die, so that they will not suffer horrific, lingering agony.

    I know you are confused, torn between your religion and your reality. I am a spirtual person, not a religious person. Please, do not confuse the agony of the dying with the hope of the deceased.
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    Re: Euthanasia for the use of humans.

    I don't usually make emotional arguments like this, but...

    ...to me denying euthanasia to critically ill and/or suffering patients is just mean and selfish.

    I feel the same way about (legitimate) medical marijuana, btw.

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    Re: Euthanasia for the use of humans.

    only if it's voluntary
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Euthanasia for the use of humans.

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    All that being said, I, too, worry about somebody being made to feel like they're a burden and being "encouraged" to consider death. Also, I don't believe medical professionals should be required to do this if it's not what they believe in. I know that, due to my religious beliefs, I couldn't do it (then again I'm not in the medical profession). Speaking of religious beliefs, I also have a strong bias in favor of life.*
    You could say the same thing about people on life support, and their families being "encouraged" to pull the plug. Does the remote possibility that someone might do that outweigh the cruelty of keeping someone bedridden with a machine pumping their heart for 30 years? No. That's why families are allowed to make those decisions.

    Likewise, the remote possibility that some sociopath may try to pressure someone does not outweigh the cruelty of forcing terminal or untreatable people to suffer indefinitely, or how simply wrong it is to tell someone they're not allowed to make their own life decisions no matter what the reason is.

    This idea that terminal and untreatable patients die natural deaths is mythical. We are capable of keeping someone alive way, way longer than they would normally live with whatever disease they have.

    You want to talk about pressure? We pressure terminal people into persuing every time-buying treatment they can, even if their quality of life continues to degrade and it does nothing but force them to suffer for longer. And who do we do that for? We don't do it for them, the person suffering. We do it for us. We're afraid of losing people. Now that is cruel and coercive.

    Doctors should certainly be able to refuse to euthanize if another doctor can take up the case, or if an effective, simple, and humane means of suicide can be provided to the patient.
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