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    Re: Euthanasia for the use of humans.

    Quote Originally Posted by Whoppletraps View Post
    If people want to die they should be able to, especially if they're in a painful situation.
    Then why not spend the money on making their lives less painful. Give them all the painkillers they need, work on pain to conquer that, work on being kinder to one another for the several other reasons people want to die, like depression and loneliness. Why are we in such a hurry to legalize killing rather than making living the better option?

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    Re: Euthanasia for the use of humans.

    Quote Originally Posted by petaluna View Post
    Then why not spend the money on making their lives less painful. Give them all the painkillers they need, work on pain to conquer that, work on being kinder to one another for the several other reasons people want to die, like depression and loneliness. Why are we in such a hurry to legalize killing rather than making living the better option?
    These are not mutually exclusive goals, Petaluna.

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    Re: Euthanasia for the use of humans.

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    There ya go, thats what makes the entire argument kind of moot...anyone can end their life at the time of their choosing basically....the only question is should the law allow them to be assisted in achieving their goal.
    Yes, it should... and this is why. Although people do indeed have the ability to kill themselves, they usually do not have the means to do so cleanly, quickly and with dignity.

    Everyone here knows my story, so I'll use myself as an example again. I am dying. My lungs are failing, and I will not put myself on the transplant list because I couldn't live with the thought of taking organs that a younger person, one who has a longer life prospect and perhaps dependent children, might need. So I will die. Thanks to the government making laws restricting my right to end my life, suicide is illegal. Therefore, if anyone helps me die a quiet, dignified death, they will be charged and imprisoned. So I am left to my own devices.

    Here is what I must consider: When to do it? I'm already deeply restricted in what activity I can do and my mobility is limited. Still, I'm able to chat on the computer, play video games, talk to my children over the phone (or more honestly, listen to them chat because talking does literally take my breath away). I might be able to do these things for another couple of years. I may not. However, if I wait until I am unable to do any of these things, I will also be unable to commit suicide with any of the options the government has charitably left me: Blow out my brains and let my husband clean up the mess, hang myself so he can find my blue and bloated body, or drink anti-freeze and die a lingering, agonizing death.

    Tell me, where is the dignity I deserve? Why should I not have the right to squeeze every minute of life out, until I'm bedridden, gasping and asking for help to end the misery? I do not have the right simply because this society denies me that right, forces me to accept a lingering, painful "natural" death or commit a bloody, violent suicide months, perhaps years, earlier than I otherwise would have simply because I can't take the chance that I will wake up some day physically unable to do so.

    I want my loved ones to be able to make the choice for me that I can no longer make for myself, and I want my doctor to be able to supply them with the means to do so peacefully and painlessly. That doesn't make me selfish; it makes me human.

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    Re: Euthanasia for the use of humans.

    Quote Originally Posted by petaluna View Post
    Then why not spend the money on making their lives less painful. Give them all the painkillers they need, work on pain to conquer that, work on being kinder to one another for the several other reasons people want to die, like depression and loneliness. Why are we in such a hurry to legalize killing rather than making living the better option?
    Painkillers will not help someone whose lungs are failing, and who will spend months bedridden, body wracked with every painic-stricken, wheezing gasp. You can't just give everyone a shot of morphine and make it all better... not unless it's a damned big shot of morphine, which is all I'm asking for.

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    Re: Euthanasia for the use of humans.

    Are people really wanting to, what, force doctors to kill people?

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    Re: Euthanasia for the use of humans.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    The other day, there was a passing in my town, where it was made obvious in the obituary that the deceased chose this route, to die surrounded by family and loved ones, laughing and joking until the end. That is so much better to me, than the death my uncle suffered. Alone in the middle of the night, because his family had gone home to rest that evening.
    I'd just as soon skip the last trip to the hospital--but not the second to last one.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Euthanasia for the use of humans.

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Are people really wanting to, what, force doctors to kill people?
    "Force," is completely the wrong word. "Dignity," for the dying is more appropriate.

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    Re: Euthanasia for the use of humans.

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Are people really wanting to, what, force doctors to kill people?
    Not exactly. But lay people have no legal access to deadly drugs in the US, at least painless ones, without a prescription.

    There's a bigger controversy over such things as removing a feeding tube once it's been inserted, etc. I don't think anyone here is insensitive to the ethics of medical people.

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    Re: Euthanasia for the use of humans.

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    "Force," is completely the wrong word. "Dignity," for the dying is more appropriate.
    No? You're not arguing that doctors be compelled to end someone's life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Not exactly. But lay people have no legal access to deadly drugs in the US, at least painless ones, without a prescription.

    There's a bigger controversy over such things as removing a feeding tube once it's been inserted, etc. I don't think anyone here is insensitive to the ethics of medical people.
    Well, I'll be honest, I haven't read every post in this thread. The ones I've seen so far have not even considered the beliefs and/or morals of medical care providers.

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    Re: Euthanasia for the use of humans.

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    No? You're not arguing that doctors be compelled to end someone's life?



    Well, I'll be honest, I haven't read every post in this thread. The ones I've seen so far have not even considered the beliefs and/or morals of medical care providers.
    I do urge you to read the posts in this thread.

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