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Thread: Is Civil Disobedience a valid method of protest?

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    Re: Is Civil Disobedience a valid method of protest?

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    Re: Is Civil Disobedience a valid method of protest?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Is Civil Disobedience a valid method of protest?
    In a word, yes. But you should always willingly accept the consequences.

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    Re: Is Civil Disobedience a valid method of protest?

    Is civil disobedience and passive resistance the same thing? ala Ghandi.....I mean

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    Re: Is Civil Disobedience a valid method of protest?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I don't want to be a word Nazi here but if you want to focus on a word the civil in civil disobedience, it doesn't mean you are behaving in a civil fashion, it means you refuse to obey civil laws.

    Refusal to obey civil laws is an effort to induce change in governmental policy or legislation, characterized by the use of passive resistance or other nonviolent means.

    Point is, if you break the law you get arrested, yes even if you are non violent.
    I think you have described civil disobedience correctly, but you didn't add the positive impact for a group by the arrest of fellow citizens who are non-violently standing up for what they believe in. In other words, the arrests tend to be counter productive as they inspire more to take their place.
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    Re: Is Civil Disobedience a valid method of protest?

    Quote Originally Posted by petaluna View Post
    Is civil disobedience and passive resistance the same thing? ala Ghandi.....I mean
    They can be the same but do not have to be the same. There are forms of passive resistance that do no break any civil laws, boycotts for example, or gathering in a public place with a permit to protest. There are other forms of passive resistance can be civil disobedience. For example, if you go limp when being arrested it is considered resisting arrest, and can be an additional charge placed on you in the court system. I know this from experience.
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    Re: Is Civil Disobedience a valid method of protest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I think you have described civil disobedience correctly, but you didn't add the positive impact for a group by the arrest of fellow citizens who are non-violently standing up for what they believe in. In other words, the arrests tend to be counter productive as they inspire more to take their place.
    You can't let people decide when and when not to obey laws on their own. Break the law you get arrested. Letting protesters break laws is a path to anarchy.

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    Re: Is Civil Disobedience a valid method of protest?

    Absolutely valid, so long as one is willing to accept the consequences of their actions. If you block business, streets, or public buildings, you can and will be forcibly removed and arrested. We knew the risks 40 years ago, and many did indeed suffer the consequences. Was it worth it? Yes, to me it was. Everyone has to decide for him/herself whether the importance of the issue is worth accepting the consequence.

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    Re: Is Civil Disobedience a valid method of protest?

    If anything, it's the most valid. You'd prefer a violent riot? Anything less than disobedience isn't really a protest, and anything less than civil is violence.
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    Re: Is Civil Disobedience a valid method of protest?

    It depends upon the times and the situations. Much of the time when it is employed in this country, it is ridiculous. People grab onto it to use it to infringe upon the ability of the people to conduct business as usual, armed only with the certitude that they are morally superior.
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    Re: Is Civil Disobedience a valid method of protest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    It depends upon the times and the situations. Much of the time when it is employed in this country, it is ridiculous. People grab onto it to use it to infringe upon the ability of the people to conduct business as usual, armed only with the certitude that they are morally superior.
    Very valid point. I used the civil rights movement earlier in the thread for a reason, in that particular case the powers that be were obviously wrong and stubbornly and willfully deaf to the ideals that everyone is on a equal legal footing, in that case and a select few others it seems civil disobedience was the only option left. Many times people go to the tactics before exhausting other options IMO.
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