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    Re: Is Civil Disobedience a valid method of protest?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I don't want to be a word Nazi here but if you want to focus on a word the civil in civil disobedience, it doesn't mean you are behaving in a civil fashion, it means you refuse to obey civil laws.

    Refusal to obey civil laws is an effort to induce change in governmental policy or legislation, characterized by the use of passive resistance or other nonviolent means.

    Point is, if you break the law you get arrested, yes even if you are non violent.
    This is closer to what I originally thought it meant, and it does fit better.

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    Re: Is Civil Disobedience a valid method of protest?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    So, that rules out the Boston Tea Party as a matter of civil disobedience, for after all, the tea-partiers could have been prosecuted for committing a felony.
    And, in fact some of the founders were pissed off as hell at the Sons of Liberty and wanted them prosecuted.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Is Civil Disobedience a valid method of protest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I wonder if you realize how stupid this is. Did you know some KKKers supported Bush for president? Therefore by your logic Bush was a racist.
    How many capitalists and free marketeers have you noticed within the ranks of the entertainers? I haven't seen any rhetoric yet, that wasn't anti-capitalist. When you can prove me wrong, you be damn sure to let us know.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Is Civil Disobedience a valid method of protest?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How many capitalists and free marketeers have you noticed within the ranks of the entertainers?.
    Uhmm Glenn Beck.

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    Re: Is Civil Disobedience a valid method of protest?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    As long as it's actually civil and doesn't trample on the rights of others. The so called civil disobedience at Kent State involved burning down private property. The so called civil disobedience in NYC is killing profits for privately owned businesses in the area where the protests are taking place.
    That's not what I've read. Recently there was a thread here about how a pizza restaurant owner is doing a hell of a business, as is McDonald's, I read. There was a youtube of a female customer getting arrested for doing business in Citibank near the OWS. She was a well dressed woman who appears to have done nothing other than walk out of the bank.










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    Re: Is Civil Disobedience a valid method of protest?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How many capitalists and free marketeers have you noticed within the ranks of the entertainers? I haven't seen any rhetoric yet, that wasn't anti-capitalist. When you can prove me wrong, you be damn sure to let us know.
    Any one who owns a restaurant or other outside business. Actions speak louder than words.

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    Re: Is Civil Disobedience a valid method of protest?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How many capitalists and free marketeers have you noticed within the ranks of the entertainers?
    Probably the same percentage that you see in the Republican party. Despite the Republicans hostility that they have towards Hollywood, they do a good job at paying lip service to the free market.

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    Re: Is Civil Disobedience a valid method of protest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    That's not what I've read. Recently there was a thread here about how a pizza restaurant owner is doing a hell of a business, as is McDonald's, I read. There was a youtube of a female customer getting arrested for doing business in Citibank near the OWS. She was a well dressed woman who appears to have done nothing other than walk out of the bank.
    There are even more stories of business owners in the area that are being hurt by the protests.

    "Usually, there are hundreds and hundreds of people in this area," said Stacey Tzortzatos, owner of Panini & Co. Breads, which sits adjacent to Zuccotti Park. "People do not want to have to pass through the crowd or walk through the park to come to my business -- so they go elsewhere."

    For Tzortzatos, the “occupation” has resulted not just in a loss in business. “I’ve had a lot of damage from the protesters,” she said. “I’ve had to put a $200 lock on my bathroom because they come in here and try to bathe. The sink fell down to the ground, cracked open, pulled the plumbing out of the wall and caused a flood. It’s a no-win situation. If I open the restroom for one, 30 people line up outside, disrupting my business.”

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    Wall Street Protest Hurts the 'Little Guys' Nearby | Entrepreneur.com
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Is Civil Disobedience a valid method of protest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    Probably the same percentage that you see in the Republican party. Despite the Republicans hostility that they have towards Hollywood, they do a good job at paying lip service to the free market.
    No, there aren't many--if any--capitalists, free marketeers, or Conservatives among their ranks.

    The main goal of the protestors is against Wall Street corruption and greed, but the group has rallied against a number of other issues, including unemployment, economic inequality, college tuition rates, police brutality, health care and even the execution of Georgia death row inmate Troy Davis.

    Occupy Wall Street Movement Gains Momentum, Attention And Controversy CBS New York
    They're all, or nearly all, a bunch of Leftists and extremist Leftists.

    As I said to Redress, when you find evidence that I'm wrong, you be damn sure and let me know.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Is Civil Disobedience a valid method of protest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    Probably the same percentage that you see in the Republican party. Despite the Republicans hostility that they have towards Hollywood, they do a good job at paying lip service to the free market.
    Hostility to Hollywood's politics, maybe, but not Hollywoods conduction of business.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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