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Is America arrogant?

Is America arrogant?

  • No, not at all

    Votes: 9 10.1%
  • May be a little

    Votes: 13 14.6%
  • Yes, it is

    Votes: 41 46.1%
  • Oh, very arrogant

    Votes: 20 22.5%
  • I can't decide

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 6 6.7%

  • Total voters
    89
wow I love this chicken and the egg argument you have with Americans about WW2 who obviously have a limited understanding of the conflict.
1.If the UK doesnt win the battle of Britain hitler launches operation sea lion and invades the UK so D-Day never happens
2. If the UK doesnt win in north africa there is no southern Italian campaign cutting off anyone entrance for America into Europe and leaving the allies with no launching point
3. If the Russians dont stop the Germans at the gates of Moscow Germans run all over Europe and then can help their friend Japan turn on the US attacking from both sides and using the superior U-Boats to cut of americas trade.
4. America actually gave the russians not that much during WW2
5. As for rest of the allies they should be kissing americas hand forever because you supplied us weapons while we were fighting evil at a very high intrest rate?

Every country involved in WW2 knows it was a joint effort and without eachother we would not have won, every country except the US that is.

First of all, I'm not one of those who believe that America "won" WWII. It didn't. It helped, but it took every single one of the allies to defeat the axis.

However, I take issue with what I've bolded. America loaned Britain nearly $550 million dollars... a hell of a lot back then... at 2% for 50 years. It took 60 years for the UK to pay it back.

BBC NEWS | UK | Magazine | What's a little debt between friends?
...The post-war loan was part-driven by the Americans' termination of the scheme. Under the programme, the US had effectively donated equipment for the war effort, but anything left over in Britain at the end of hostilities and still needed would have to be paid for.

But the price would please a bargain hunter - the US only wanted one-tenth of the production cost of the equipment and would lend the money to pay for it.

As a result, the UK took a loan for $586m (about £145m at 1945 exchange rates), and a further $3,750m line of credit (about £930m at 1945 exchange rates). The loan was to be paid off in 50 annual repayments starting in 1950, although there were six years when payment was deferred because of economic or political crises....

And we are resented for this? Are you kidding me? That's insulting.
 
First of all, I'm not one of those who believe that America "won" WWII. It didn't. It helped, but it took every single one of the allies to defeat the axis.

However, I take issue with what I've bolded. America loaned Britain nearly $550 million dollars... a hell of a lot back then... at 2% for 50 years. It took 60 years for the UK to pay it back.

BBC NEWS | UK | Magazine | What's a little debt between friends?


And we are resented for this? Are you kidding me? That's insulting.

no your not resented for that but what is resented is being reminded of it for all of time. End of the day loaning the British that money was the right thing to do and it turned out to be vital for the war effort. American aid helped the British secure North Africa and allowed for the allies ( mainly the US) to land in southern Italy which of course critically took troops away from Normandy. My intention was not to sound ungrateful and most Europeans will be forever grateful for Americas sacrifice during WW2, but you have to remember that Europe's WW2 expierence was very different from the USA's and sometimes I feel that the brave sacrifice of not only British but also Polish, French and of course Russian troops are often overlooked by many Americans.
 
no your not resented for that but what is resented is being reminded of it for all of time. End of the day loaning the British that money was the right thing to do and it turned out to be vital for the war effort. American aid helped the British secure North Africa and allowed for the allies ( mainly the US) to land in southern Italy which of course critically took troops away from Normandy. My intention was not to sound ungrateful and most Europeans will be forever grateful for Americas sacrifice during WW2, but you have to remember that Europe's WW2 expierence was very different from the USA's and sometimes I feel that the brave sacrifice of not only British but also Polish, French and of course Russian troops are often overlooked by many Americans.

the french were pretty much worthless, the Greeks gave the Germans far more problems despite having an army about one tenth the size of the french and the Poles-who had absolutely no geographic advantages and obsolete equipment put up a better fight man for man. and then the poles fought bravely with the RAF etc.

the french rolled over and played dead. the Maginot line folded up far faster than it should have. If every frenchman who claimed to have been in the resistance in 1946 had actually been in the resistance during the occupation the Nazis would have been beaten two years early

hell, a bunch of starving Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto caused the nazis more butt ache than the french
 
the french were pretty much worthless, the Greeks gave the Germans far more problems despite having an army about one tenth the size of the french and the Poles-who had absolutely no geographic advantages and obsolete equipment put up a better fight man for man. and then the poles fought bravely with the RAF etc.

the french rolled over and played dead. the Maginot line folded up far faster than it should have. If every frenchman who claimed to have been in the resistance in 1946 had actually been in the resistance during the occupation the Nazis would have been beaten two years early

hell, a bunch of starving Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto caused the nazis more butt ache than the french


I agree the maginot line folded fast but too be fair no army on earth would of held back the Germans in 1939/1940. They re-invented warfare and were much better prepared for the conflict that France and the UK, not even America were ready for the fight in 1939.
As for the resistance yes their numbers were a little inflated by 1946 but the intelligence they gave us on the atlantic wall pre D-Day became vital and the information on German movement and destruction of trainlines helped us advance quicker than anyone thought.
 
I agree the maginot line folded fast but too be fair no army on earth would of held back the Germans in 1939/1940. They re-invented warfare and were much better prepared for the conflict that France and the UK, not even America were ready for the fight in 1939.
As for the resistance yes their numbers were a little inflated by 1946 but the intelligence they gave us on the atlantic wall pre D-Day became vital and the information on German movement and destruction of trainlines helped us advance quicker than anyone thought.
If the French had shown the resolve that the Polish cavalry had trying to take out Panzers with riders throwing dynamite at the tracks of the tank, or the Greeks in the mountains with 50 year old artillery, or the RAF pilots or even the Japanese dug into the caves of tarawa, the French could have taken out at least a hundred thousand more nazis which would have really cut the war short. Of course that means the frogs would have lost as many people as the Russians did defending Stalingrad
 
If the French had shown the resolve that the Polish cavalry had trying to take out Panzers with riders throwing dynamite at the tracks of the tank, or the Greeks in the mountains with 50 year old artillery, or the RAF pilots or even the Japanese dug into the caves of tarawa, the French could have taken out at least a hundred thousand more nazis which would have really cut the war short. Of course that means the frogs would have lost as many people as the Russians did defending Stalingrad

don't disagree with that comment however I do stand by my point that the french resistance had a part to play and they saved many US and British lives with their guerrilla warfare tactics and the amazing reconnaissance leading upton D-Day
 
don't disagree with that comment however I do stand by my point that the french resistance had a part to play and they saved many US and British lives with their guerrilla warfare tactics and the amazing reconnaissance leading upton D-Day

that still would have happened but if there were 100K less Nazis D Day might have come about 2 years earlier. The Russians sure would have been able to mount a far better counteroffensive with tons of Nazis stuck on a western front which really didn't materialize until DD because France rolled over
 
I should note that France is clearly the most arrogant because unlike us, they haven't done squat for anyone over the last 100 years while we and Britain bailed them out twice.

Their incredible stupidity in VietNam cost us tons of lives there-if it hadn't been for the damn french and deGaulle insisting on resurrecting their dead (and should have been buried) colonial empire we never would have been drawn into that mess
 
If so many of you think the USA is arrogant why is it people from all over the World are willing to rick their lives to get here.If you don't like it here why don't you leave and try to fix say Mexico where Drug Cartels are murdering thousands in brutal ways and they last night killed 30 senior women by setting fire to them.

I think this is lack of proper education that failed to teach the difference between Pride and Arrogance.

Our form of Government has outlasted any and all other forms by a number of years and even with and Anti-American like Obama we continue to to help more of the poorer Nations and even liberated people in many Nations from dictatorships and imperialism giving these Nations a fair chance at A Democratic Republic.

It's amazing to me that Americans don't show the pride in the Nations that allows them to be stupid and protest the vary Government that permits them to be uneducated idiots.
 
If so many of you think the USA is arrogant why is it people from all over the World are willing to risk their lives to get here.

So let me get this striaght, if someone risks there life to get here, it would be for no other reason than that we're not arrogant?
 
So let me get this striaght, if someone risks there life to get here, it would be for no other reason than that we're not arrogant?

No it says that they see the USA as better place than they left behind ans that is reason for us to be proud.

I have accomplished a great deal in my life and I have never felt that I was arrogant but my accomplishments are worthy of me being proud of what I have done from High School to running a multimillion dollar business to my Radio Program to being a City Councilman I and proud about it,but never have I been arrogant.

I believe anyone can accomplish any thing they put their minds to, and that is not arrogance in any way shape or form.

You don't seem to know the difference.
 
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No it says that they see the USA as better place than they left behind ans that is reason for us to be proud.

I have accomplished a great deal in my life and I have never felt that I was arrogant but my accomplishments are worthy of me being proud of what I have done from High School to running a multimillion dollar business to my Radio Program to being a City Councilman I and proud about it,but never have I been arrogant.

I believe anyone can accomplish any thing they put their minds to, and that is not arrogance in any way shape or form.

You don't seem to know the difference.

No, not really. I think you're confusing different things. First, it isn't about you personally. Maybe you're nto arrogant. Maybe most in the country are. Maybe not. But wanting to come here doesn't say one way or the other.

As for what anyone can accomplish, well, we do surprise at times true, but that kind of thinking has a double edge to it. Sure, it helps to believe that so we try, and it is important to try. But sometimes it deludes us, and doesn't realistically assess the obsticales in front of us, and more importantly, in front of others. It helps us blame them, even when in reality the hill was just too high for them. It cuts both ways. Few have the self awareness to knwo the difference.

Anyway, the point is, I could think a place is full of arrogant jerks, but still want to be there because there are other benefits that out weight the arrogant jerk factor. ;)
 
Yeah, I wonder what those people who complain about America will say when China-Russia rules the world...

That China and Russia suck. :coffeepap
 
Is America arrogant?

As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words:


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As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words:


US-military-bases-2001-03.jpg

Yeah, I would like to see some Euro bases on our border states with mexico to help us for a change. How about a German-Laredo, and British-San Ysidro base to support our border patrol, and a Italian-Miami base. Not only bases, how about navy patrols too, to police the Gulf of Mexico from drug smugglers and so on and so on. Most of the world doesn't have to do **** because of the US about their national defense, yet they question the manner in which we provide it. I guess that picture means that we the good old USA need to rethink what we are doing and take care of our affairs at home, which most won't argue. We need to find the right balance and improve how we do things but that picture doesn't mean we are arrogant. If anything is shows we care and are realists regarding world affairs, and how can we not be with appeasement bull**** doctrines that failed many times over from our superior, well cultured euro-cousins who don't seem to be in a rush to tell us yankees to go home anytime soon.
 
Thanks for your answer!

You can't handle the truth Catawba! Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Mr. Catawba? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall.
We use words like honor, code, loyalty...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!
 
Most of the world doesn't have to do **** because of the US about their national defense, yet they question the manner in which we provide it.

Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!


You make an excellent case that America is not arrogant!
 
That China and Russia suck. :coffeepap

Unless Liberals get their way it will never happen.

The measure of a persons abilities and the pride they have is in part in their are the ability to overcome obstacles.

One should never give up, and strive for excellence always.

Like the Army used to say be all that you can be, and be proud when you overcome and don't apologize for your success ever.
 
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You can't handle the truth Catawba! Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Mr. Catawba? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall.
We use words like honor, code, loyalty...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!
You make an excellent case that America is not arrogant!
Truth! You can't handle the truth! - Nice quote Awesome.

True arrogance shows a lack of respect for everyone else. Think about the lack of respect a dictator has for his subjects - genocide, rape, corruption. That's arrogance. Yes, the United States is strong. But, it does not (intentionally) use it's strength for bad. Yes, the rippling consequences of any action can be second guessed and criticized in hindsight, but the U.S. goes out of its way to respect people around the world. Even when the U.S. is confrontational, it is not arrogant.

I think some people who drone on and on about arrogance in America would think that a volunteer firefighter is arrogant because he helps his community by putting out fires and saving lives - that a strong man is arrogant when he steps in to stop a fight - and that the good Samaritan was arrogant because he helped a man in need and paid the innkeeper money to look after him.

Strength and a will to change one's surroundings for the better is not arrogance even if some others disagree with the definition of "better". We are all citizens of the world, and the fact that the U.S. doesn't please everyone isn't suprising. No one pleases everyone - here or abroad.

You want arrogance? Talk to the French! In fact, I consider endless talking with no action a sign of real arrogance - I could point toward academia, media, and politicians who share that trait.
 
I spent some time in the USA, and can honestly say I did not find any Americans arrogant. Sure, they wanted to be liked and wanted others to admire their society, but that is no where near being arrogant. But some of the Americans who have posted in response to this poll would lead anyone who has not experienced Americans first hand, into believing Americans are very arrogant. I am not sure those posters are being serious, so I will suspend judgement. :)
 
I spent some time in the USA, and can honestly say I did not find any Americans arrogant. Sure, they wanted to be liked and wanted others to admire their society, but that is no where near being arrogant. But some of the Americans who have posted in response to this poll would lead anyone who has not experienced Americans first hand, into believing Americans are very arrogant. I am not sure those posters are being serious, so I will suspend judgement. :)

Screw You. The US is number one in EVERYTHING, to include the depth of our comprehension of how we are awesome.

USA! USA! :D
 
Screw You. The US is number one in EVERYTHING, to include the depth of our comprehension of how we are awesome.

USA! USA! :D

BTW hes kidding leo :)
 
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