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  • Yes, it is

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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Ultimately everything you are, and have, you owe to whatever associations you had, and made use of. It isn't a connection you can abandon, without taking a serious blow to your credibility.
    Yes, your associations do play a very large part in determining who you are, HOWEVER often times it's by showing you what you shouldn't be, rather than what you should be. Therefore in many cases disassociating yourself with people, groups, etc... shows who you truly are more than maintaining those associations would. For example.... I personally know a large number of individuals who CLAIM to be friends of the Second Amendment yet continue to associate with and vote for candidates who are unwilling to do anything to protect the RTKBA. Their association with these people says more to me than their empty words does.

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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Yes, your associations do play a very large part in determining who you are, HOWEVER often times it's by showing you what you shouldn't be, rather than what you should be. Therefore in many cases disassociating yourself with people, groups, etc... shows who you truly are more than maintaining those associations would. For example.... I personally know a large number of individuals who CLAIM to be friends of the Second Amendment yet continue to associate with and vote for candidates who are unwilling to do anything to protect the RTKBA. Their association with these people says more to me than their empty words does.
    Even the fool should be rewarded (or at least forgiven his faults), if his foolishness ultimately assists another in finding true wisdom. That is, good men repay even the indirect benefits gained from overcoming obstacles.

    There are obvious associations you would want to extricate yourself from (like the Group for Puppy Murdering Sociopaths), but in general, personal fallibility and general human limitations (particularly in collective organizations) should make one wary of abandoning an association. Abandoning an association always implies you are better, which isn't an impulse that needs to be fed. People already have no problem believing that they are better, and a much harder time doing or even thinking anything that proves it.

    I may not have liked all of my parents's habits and morals growing up, but I still ate from their table, slept in their house, and made use of the possessions they gave me for my personal use; furthermore, there were plenty of habits and morals of my own that were mistaken and in need of correction, both in relation to my parents, others, and myself. My relationship with the United States is similar.
    Last edited by Morality Games; 10-18-11 at 03:20 PM.
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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    Losers often characterize the winners as arrogant. Winners often characterize themselves as deserving. I think the US has earned and deserves a lot of respect for what it has to done to improve the standard of living for most of the people on this planet. Foreigners can call us arrogant or they call us deserving, I don't care. What they should remember is to thank us for how they live today.
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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    Where's the
    "The hell it is" button?
    "With great power comes great responsibility."
    "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    How exactly is a nation arrogant? Does the nation have it's own conscience?

    Is Russia crude? Canada feckless? China all-too-serious?

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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    How exactly is a nation arrogant? Does the nation have it's own conscience?

    Is Russia crude? Canada feckless? China all-too-serious?
    I'm arrogant, you're arrogant, we're are arrogant. Yes arrogance can be collective.

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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    How exactly is a nation arrogant? Does the nation have it's own conscience?

    Is Russia crude? Canada feckless? China all-too-serious?
    Repeated behaviors, once they become familiar those in close proximity to them, can become an attractive if they are interpreted have positive results, symbolically or materially. Often they spread through an entire population, usually over multiple generations, creating what we know as a "culture." Thus different populations often display different habits and morals.

    Granted, you can't characterize every individual as embodying the type associated with the nation they belong to, but it is always a factor in their identity. For example, even if an individual Chinese person wasn't remotely seriously, if the entire body of their people tends towards seriousness, then that individual's relationship to his culture is subversive.

    Subversion isn't always a bad thing, if the culture isn't worthwhile.

    The United States has several bad habits, among them being, we encourage greed as a valid principle to order your life (rather than as an accessory to a spiritually ordered life that seeks to compress the numbers of its possessions to the fewest possible, while finding no less pleasure in these than it would in the acquisition of many others), the second being that we assert fame, for its own sake, as an ideal, to the expense of moderation and virtue, and thirdly, we deny our faults exist (both personally and as a nation) and don't take any responsibility for improving upon them.

    Unsurprisingly, things aren't getting any better for us.
    Last edited by Morality Games; 10-18-11 at 05:08 PM.
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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Woah, I didn't say they didn't matter... or at least I didn't mean to .
    Since I'm not the only one who questioned the post I quoted, perhaps you'd be so good as to enlighten us on exactly what it meant.

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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Since I'm not the only one who questioned the post I quoted, perhaps you'd be so good as to enlighten us on exactly what it meant.
    I was saying that not everyone in the Nazi party were evil. I was then corrected (Someone said something about the people of Poland), with which I replied, "lol, who were mostly jews :Shrug". I was loling at myself for such an oversight. I'm not seeing how this could be implied that I think the Jewish people didn't matter...

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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    I was saying that not everyone in the Nazi party were evil. I was then corrected (Someone said something about the people of Poland), with which I replied, "lol, who were mostly jews :Shrug". I was loling at myself for such an oversight. I'm not seeing how this could be implied that I think the Jewish people didn't matter...
    You would be correct that not everyone in the NAZI party were evil. There were around 15 assassination attempts on Hitler's life by NAZIs. One of the prominent attempts is outlined in the movie, Valkyrie.

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