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  • No, not at all

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  • May be a little

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  • Yes, it is

    55 45.83%
  • Oh, very arrogant

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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    wow I love this chicken and the egg argument you have with Americans about WW2 who obviously have a limited understanding of the conflict.
    1.If the UK doesnt win the battle of Britain hitler launches operation sea lion and invades the UK so D-Day never happens
    2. If the UK doesnt win in north africa there is no southern Italian campaign cutting off anyone entrance for America into Europe and leaving the allies with no launching point
    3. If the Russians dont stop the Germans at the gates of Moscow Germans run all over Europe and then can help their friend Japan turn on the US attacking from both sides and using the superior U-Boats to cut of americas trade.
    4. America actually gave the russians not that much during WW2
    5. As for rest of the allies they should be kissing americas hand forever because you supplied us weapons while we were fighting evil at a very high intrest rate?

    Every country involved in WW2 knows it was a joint effort and without eachother we would not have won, every country except the US that is.
    First of all, I'm not one of those who believe that America "won" WWII. It didn't. It helped, but it took every single one of the allies to defeat the axis.

    However, I take issue with what I've bolded. America loaned Britain nearly $550 million dollars... a hell of a lot back then... at 2% for 50 years. It took 60 years for the UK to pay it back.

    BBC NEWS | UK | Magazine | What's a little debt between friends?
    ...The post-war loan was part-driven by the Americans' termination of the scheme. Under the programme, the US had effectively donated equipment for the war effort, but anything left over in Britain at the end of hostilities and still needed would have to be paid for.

    But the price would please a bargain hunter - the US only wanted one-tenth of the production cost of the equipment and would lend the money to pay for it.

    As a result, the UK took a loan for $586m (about 145m at 1945 exchange rates), and a further $3,750m line of credit (about 930m at 1945 exchange rates). The loan was to be paid off in 50 annual repayments starting in 1950, although there were six years when payment was deferred because of economic or political crises....
    And we are resented for this? Are you kidding me? That's insulting.

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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    First of all, I'm not one of those who believe that America "won" WWII. It didn't. It helped, but it took every single one of the allies to defeat the axis.

    However, I take issue with what I've bolded. America loaned Britain nearly $550 million dollars... a hell of a lot back then... at 2% for 50 years. It took 60 years for the UK to pay it back.

    BBC NEWS | UK | Magazine | What's a little debt between friends?


    And we are resented for this? Are you kidding me? That's insulting.
    no your not resented for that but what is resented is being reminded of it for all of time. End of the day loaning the British that money was the right thing to do and it turned out to be vital for the war effort. American aid helped the British secure North Africa and allowed for the allies ( mainly the US) to land in southern Italy which of course critically took troops away from Normandy. My intention was not to sound ungrateful and most Europeans will be forever grateful for Americas sacrifice during WW2, but you have to remember that Europe's WW2 expierence was very different from the USA's and sometimes I feel that the brave sacrifice of not only British but also Polish, French and of course Russian troops are often overlooked by many Americans.

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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    no your not resented for that but what is resented is being reminded of it for all of time. End of the day loaning the British that money was the right thing to do and it turned out to be vital for the war effort. American aid helped the British secure North Africa and allowed for the allies ( mainly the US) to land in southern Italy which of course critically took troops away from Normandy. My intention was not to sound ungrateful and most Europeans will be forever grateful for Americas sacrifice during WW2, but you have to remember that Europe's WW2 expierence was very different from the USA's and sometimes I feel that the brave sacrifice of not only British but also Polish, French and of course Russian troops are often overlooked by many Americans.
    the french were pretty much worthless, the Greeks gave the Germans far more problems despite having an army about one tenth the size of the french and the Poles-who had absolutely no geographic advantages and obsolete equipment put up a better fight man for man. and then the poles fought bravely with the RAF etc.

    the french rolled over and played dead. the Maginot line folded up far faster than it should have. If every frenchman who claimed to have been in the resistance in 1946 had actually been in the resistance during the occupation the Nazis would have been beaten two years early

    hell, a bunch of starving Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto caused the nazis more butt ache than the french



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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the french were pretty much worthless, the Greeks gave the Germans far more problems despite having an army about one tenth the size of the french and the Poles-who had absolutely no geographic advantages and obsolete equipment put up a better fight man for man. and then the poles fought bravely with the RAF etc.

    the french rolled over and played dead. the Maginot line folded up far faster than it should have. If every frenchman who claimed to have been in the resistance in 1946 had actually been in the resistance during the occupation the Nazis would have been beaten two years early

    hell, a bunch of starving Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto caused the nazis more butt ache than the french

    I agree the maginot line folded fast but too be fair no army on earth would of held back the Germans in 1939/1940. They re-invented warfare and were much better prepared for the conflict that France and the UK, not even America were ready for the fight in 1939.
    As for the resistance yes their numbers were a little inflated by 1946 but the intelligence they gave us on the atlantic wall pre D-Day became vital and the information on German movement and destruction of trainlines helped us advance quicker than anyone thought.

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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I agree the maginot line folded fast but too be fair no army on earth would of held back the Germans in 1939/1940. They re-invented warfare and were much better prepared for the conflict that France and the UK, not even America were ready for the fight in 1939.
    As for the resistance yes their numbers were a little inflated by 1946 but the intelligence they gave us on the atlantic wall pre D-Day became vital and the information on German movement and destruction of trainlines helped us advance quicker than anyone thought.
    If the French had shown the resolve that the Polish cavalry had trying to take out Panzers with riders throwing dynamite at the tracks of the tank, or the Greeks in the mountains with 50 year old artillery, or the RAF pilots or even the Japanese dug into the caves of tarawa, the French could have taken out at least a hundred thousand more nazis which would have really cut the war short. Of course that means the frogs would have lost as many people as the Russians did defending Stalingrad



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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    If the French had shown the resolve that the Polish cavalry had trying to take out Panzers with riders throwing dynamite at the tracks of the tank, or the Greeks in the mountains with 50 year old artillery, or the RAF pilots or even the Japanese dug into the caves of tarawa, the French could have taken out at least a hundred thousand more nazis which would have really cut the war short. Of course that means the frogs would have lost as many people as the Russians did defending Stalingrad
    don't disagree with that comment however I do stand by my point that the french resistance had a part to play and they saved many US and British lives with their guerrilla warfare tactics and the amazing reconnaissance leading upton D-Day

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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    don't disagree with that comment however I do stand by my point that the french resistance had a part to play and they saved many US and British lives with their guerrilla warfare tactics and the amazing reconnaissance leading upton D-Day
    that still would have happened but if there were 100K less Nazis D Day might have come about 2 years earlier. The Russians sure would have been able to mount a far better counteroffensive with tons of Nazis stuck on a western front which really didn't materialize until DD because France rolled over



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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    I should note that France is clearly the most arrogant because unlike us, they haven't done squat for anyone over the last 100 years while we and Britain bailed them out twice.

    Their incredible stupidity in VietNam cost us tons of lives there-if it hadn't been for the damn french and deGaulle insisting on resurrecting their dead (and should have been buried) colonial empire we never would have been drawn into that mess



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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    If so many of you think the USA is arrogant why is it people from all over the World are willing to rick their lives to get here.If you don't like it here why don't you leave and try to fix say Mexico where Drug Cartels are murdering thousands in brutal ways and they last night killed 30 senior women by setting fire to them.

    I think this is lack of proper education that failed to teach the difference between Pride and Arrogance.

    Our form of Government has outlasted any and all other forms by a number of years and even with and Anti-American like Obama we continue to to help more of the poorer Nations and even liberated people in many Nations from dictatorships and imperialism giving these Nations a fair chance at A Democratic Republic.

    It's amazing to me that Americans don't show the pride in the Nations that allows them to be stupid and protest the vary Government that permits them to be uneducated idiots.

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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    If so many of you think the USA is arrogant why is it people from all over the World are willing to risk their lives to get here.
    So let me get this striaght, if someone risks there life to get here, it would be for no other reason than that we're not arrogant?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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