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  • No, not at all

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  • May be a little

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  • Yes, it is

    55 45.83%
  • Oh, very arrogant

    26 21.67%
  • I can't decide

    3 2.50%
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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post

    How are we to judge a nation as arrogant?
    On how we interact with other country's.
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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by coolwalker View Post
    How typical
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    ...they climb fences to come here to enjoy what we have and you whine about it...this is beyond odd. be thankful you were born here and not in some shack in Poland or worse yet, India. Bunch ' cry babies.
    Look before you leap, kid. I never "whined" about how unfair it all is. I was asked for a general assessment and I made it. I never said I wasn't proud. In fact I'm proud because I've traveled firsthand and can make a proper comparison. Other people that refuse to see firsthand but still go "rah rah" are just arrogant. Check these posts to see if I'm in the habit of whining...then come back and apologize:
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...t-death-5.html
    (page 5, post #45)
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...rogant-13.html
    (page 13, post #128)
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...-report-5.html
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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    I think Higgins made his intent clear with the last line, just after #5, which was:


    He clearly states "it was a joint effort." So he wasn't marginalizing the US, he was pointing out we shouldn't marginalize the "other Allies" in the effort.

    Yeah, we could've won it without help but it would've been 1948, with 1 Million Americans dead instead of 450K, by the time we got the job done. We would've dropped The Bomb in a bunch more places too. Maybe that makes me an Arrogant American, and if so, then so be it. But I'm not so arrogant that I can't give my teammates an "attaboy!" and a pat on the back. I'm very thankful to our allies for their fabulous contributions. I think we can be cocky about our country and still give "props" to others.
    True, we need to give credit where it's due. England had a lot of balls standing up to Germany after Hitler invaded Poland... I took issue with the fact that they stated that we are forever lording over the allies, (Being Arrogant) which I don't think we do, but at the same time feel that we should be able to get a few digs in here and there due to their failures that led to both wars and our efforts after the 2nd one to keep the Communists in their place because not one of our allies could have stopped Stalin from dominating Europe except for...that's right: USA. I had dinner with a Belgian contact recently and he said the same thing or shared the same sentiments of some of the posters here. He feels like the US expects so much in return and told me "we thank the US, but now the US needs to just mind their own business", but the failures of the allies essentially made Europe our business right?
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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Doesn't matter. Arrogance is a vice that must be tamed, and if possible, destroyed as quickly as one encounters it on oneself, whether as a person or as a nation. What other people do, or are, is irrelevant to that point.



    Arrogance is an emotion (intention), and a behavior (action) that arises in any applicable situation, whether one is a deluded manager of a Burger King or sitting passively in one's couch imagining the faultless glory of the American people.



    My citation of the American Dream is just an awkward way of making a point relatable, and its arrogance is limited to how it is popularly (and, at an individual level, personally) conceived and practiced.



    Pride is just a general term for a string of sensations and behaviors where one (1) takes pleasure in one's achievements (2) develops a conscious understanding that these achievements increase their value as a person. Self-confidence develops the emotion to the point where one gets a functional comprehension of one's abilities. It ends (and humility begins) when one encounters a situation that exceeds their ability to handle, or at least, which poses a serious challenge to such ability. Arrogance carries pride past that point, to the extent it is incapable of acknowledging both internal and external limits. In everyday behavior, this manifests itself in In certain individuals habitually treating others with derision, valuing neither their time, thoughts, or help, but often depending on these things in one way or another to realize ambitions. Prima donna actors, for example, don't value the assistance of "the help," but nonetheless are very dependent on "the help" to succeed.

    At a national level, it manifests itself as an unwillingness to believe that the nation has made grave errors in its handling of different situations, particularly its treatment of other human beings. I would suggest Native American policies during the 19th century, and putting down democratic movements in the Middle East during the Cold War, as examples. In these cases, an arrogant person is psychologically incapable of recognizing the political entity he identifies and associates himself with has done evil.

    I often consider such delusion more evil than the evil action itself. It should be common knowledge that human beings have evil in them, which must be conquered, but denying the reality of it to such an extent suggests an unwillingness to acknowledge the evil in oneself and improve upon it which I find diabolical. You might take Holocaust denial as a comparison.
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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Awesome! View Post
    True, we need to give credit where it's due. England had a lot of balls standing up to Germany after Hitler invaded Poland... I took issue with the fact that they stated that we are forever lording over the allies, (Being Arrogant) which I don't think we do, but at the same time feel that we should be able to get a few digs in here and there due to their failures that led to both wars and our efforts after the 2nd one to keep the Communists in their place because not one of our allies could have stopped Stalin from dominating Europe except for...that's right: USA. I had dinner with a Belgian contact recently and he said the same thing or shared the same sentiments of some of the posters here. He feels like the US expects so much in return and told me "we thank the US, but now the US needs to just mind their own business", but the failures of the allies essentially made Europe our business right?
    Germany declared war on the US that is what made it your business

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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Germany declared war on the US that is what made it your business
    Well, yeah??? I mean, when the League of Nations failed to stop Germany, and appeasement didn't work, and when France and England had their asses handed to them at Dunkirk, the US had to do something right? And I know the 5 lbs of flour that we gave to England and the 2 jeeps that we gave to the Russians through lend lease wasn't that much to help the allies, so we ultimately had to join the war and make Euro affairs our business once again, so you are correct in your point. How can we leave the Euro's to manage their own affairs after WW1 and 2. If we went home, no marshal plan, no bases etc. what do you think Europe would be like now?
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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Germany declared war on the US that is what made it your business
    The US was already supplying Britain before the US entered ww2:
    Lend-Lease - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Prior to overt participation in WWII, the US was actively engaged in convoys with the British in the North Atlantic Ocean, primarily supporting British activities in Iceland. This was discussed by John T. Flynn in his 1944 work "The Truth About Pearl Harbor"
    Roosevelt wanted to get involved in the war well before the US actually did, but Congress refused to agree. Lend Lease meant the US had already thrown in it's lot with Britain against Nazi Germany well before any declaration of war. By declaring war on Japan on Dec 8, 1941, the US, in effect, declared war on Germany and Italy since they were members of the tripartite pact. It was mere formality that Germany later declared war on the US and vice-versa.

    I don't know that it was Europe's failure that drew the US in. Japan and Germany had been engaging in hostile actions before the start of ww2. Japan had been in China since 1932 and had made another thrust into China in 1937, which the US protested. Germany had already launched Operation Barbarossa and thus had attacked Russia before the US entered the war. Germany was behaving like a spoiled kid with ADHD on a sugar rush. It needed to be brought to heel.
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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    I think all countries have a sense of arrogants or a lack of understanding of others cultures. For instance, last night while listening to a live stream, the caster told a story. This professional came over from Europe to play in a MLG tournament for the first time. He gets off the plane in a white suite/white cowboy boots/with a white jacket slung over his shoulder. He gets picked up by the caster and the first thing he says is, "I'm here to party, are you ready to party?" Obviously arrogant but we do the same thing to when we go to other countries. While some of us would try to respect others culture, just by being an American we are disrespecting their culture in how we talk/eat/walk/drive/etc etc. Things are done differently in different countries, and it may not be considered "arrogant" here but it will definitely be considered "arrogant" where you go.

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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Awesome! View Post
    Well, yeah??? I mean, when the League of Nations failed to stop Germany, and appeasement didn't work, and when France and England had their asses handed to them at Dunkirk, the US had to do something right? And I know the 5 lbs of flour that we gave to England and the 2 jeeps that we gave to the Russians through lend lease wasn't that much to help the allies, so we ultimately had to join the war and make Euro affairs our business once again, so you are correct in your point. How can we leave the Euro's to manage their own affairs after WW1 and 2. If we went home, no marshal plan, no bases etc. what do you think Europe would be like now?
    Your knowledge of history is, well... interesting.

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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    Read this person's comments. Does this qualify as arrogant?

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