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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I feel my point is important yet it is being overlooked.

    How are we to judge a nation as arrogant? If we try to measure, should we not use numbers?

    If so then I argue that the majority of Americans are not arrogant. There are more poor than rich. There are also people like farmers, etc who are not arrogant. I will go further in saying that not all rich folk are arrogant; some can be quite modest/humble.
    So how do you apply the numbers? And how do you do it when you point out (and rightly so) that not all the rich are arrogant? By contrast, not all the poor are humble. How do you account for them?
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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    So how do you apply the numbers? And how do you do it when you point out (and rightly so) that not all the rich are arrogant? By contrast, not all the poor are humble. How do you account for them?
    Since it seems impossible to quantify "arrogance," what are your thoughts? Do you think America is arrogant or not? Most importantly, though, I'm interested in how you'd measure such a thing.

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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Since it seems impossible to quantify "arrogance," what are your thoughts? Do you think America is arrogant or not? Most importantly, though, I'm interested in how you'd measure such a thing.
    Overall I think America is arrogant. We are also largely ignorant about other countries. I think most of the arrogance is triggered by the ignorance. If people knew more about other countries we wouldn't be so cocky. I think the best solution would be for more Americans to travel and spend time with the common people there, rather than the "Americanized" resort hotels. But, as we have seen even in this thread, not everybody is willing to do that.

    I have no scientific basis for this. It's the result of the people I know and what I have observed in news and forums like this. If we "wanted" to know, a poll should be devised that is applied to people of varying regions, ethnicities, and economic statuses. The questions of this poll should stated in a way that triggers an arrogant response while leaving possible answers for a more humble response. That's how I would do it.
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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Overall I think America is arrogant. We are also largely ignorant about other countries. I think most of the arrogance is triggered by the ignorance. If people knew more about other countries we wouldn't be so cocky. I think the best solution would be for more Americans to travel and spend time with the common people there, rather than the "Americanized" resort hotels. But, as we have seen even in this thread, not everybody is willing to do that.

    I have no scientific basis for this. It's the result of the people I know and what I have observed in news and forums like this. If we "wanted" to know, a poll should be devised that is applied to people of varying regions, ethnicities, and economic statuses. The questions of this poll should stated in a way that triggers an arrogant response while leaving possible answers for a more humble response. That's how I would do it.
    How typical...we are proud not arrogant. But today, in this politically correct vacuum we live in, it is considered crass to be proud...unless of course you want to call someone else racist, then it's alright to be proud. Being humble is great for a Quaker; humility is overrated and rather passe'. People worldwide want to come here...they climb fences to come here to enjoy what we have and you whine about it...this is beyond odd. be thankful you were born here and not in some shack in Poland or worse yet, India. Bunch ' cry babies.

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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Since it seems impossible to quantify "arrogance," what are your thoughts? Do you think America is arrogant or not? Most importantly, though, I'm interested in how you'd measure such a thing.
    The same way you measure arrogance in a person. The traits of human existence don't vanish at a collective level, responsibility for them just becomes more widely distributed.

    Two factors in such self-importance are (1) the nature of the collective achievements of the American people and (2) one's personal 'contributions' to such achievements. Since a single individual is unlikely to contribute much materially to the historical achievements of an entire nation, we evaluate their 'right' to claim in the successes from how well their behavior reflected the spirit of their nation's cultural aspirations. For one possible example, how well they lived up to the ideals and prescriptions of the, "American Dream."
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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    The same way you measure arrogance in a person.
    I do not mean to be rude, but how exactly does one do that for a nation, especially when the majority isn't arrogant?

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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I do not mean to be rude, but how exactly does one do that for a nation, especially when the majority isn't arrogant?
    I edited my post.

    The traits of human existence don't vanish at a collective level, responsibility for them just becomes more widely distributed.

    Two factors in such self-importance are (1) the nature of the collective achievements of the American people and (2) one's personal 'contributions' to such achievements. Since a single individual is unlikely to contribute much materially to the historical achievements of an entire nation, we evaluate their 'right' to claim in the successes from how well their behavior reflected the spirit of their nation's cultural aspirations. For one possible example, how well they lived up to the ideals and prescriptions of the, "American Dream." Living up to the American Dream is, in itself, proof of the viability of the ideal, which assists the country as a whole in believing in/attaining the goal. In terms of overall utility, it is a small contribution, but the best most individuals are able to give, and one that entitles them to a share in national pride.

    But, even in the cases where a person contributed heavily to the actual historical achievements of an entire nation (like a president or congressmen), the collective character of the achievement should always moderate the degree of their pride in the event. Even presidents and congressmen could not achieve what they do without the complicity and support of the American people. This rule is all the more true for average citizens, who don't influence events through elected offices.

    A firmly moderated pride, that is mindful of its ability to contribute to success, could be described as, "self-confidence." A pride that seeks pleasure in thoughts of its superiority, either personally or by association with an entity like the United States (via citizenship), is arrogance.
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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    I edited my post.

    The traits of human existence don't vanish at a collective level, responsibility for them just becomes more widely distributed.

    Two factors in such self-importance are (1) the nature of the collective achievements of the American people and (2) one's personal 'contributions' to such achievements. Since a single individual is unlikely to contribute much materially to the historical achievements of an entire nation, we evaluate their 'right' to claim in the successes from how well their behavior reflected the spirit of their nation's cultural aspirations. For one possible example, how well they lived up to the ideals and prescriptions of the, "American Dream."
    So, I can understand your statement in a certain sense, but there are still questions lingering. Wouldn't China and Russia and Japan be almost as arrogant as America? What exactly and how are we measuring arrogance? As in which type. We have the drop out who has a false sense of arrogance when he assumes a leadership position in Burger King. We hav the child who plays Yu-Gi-Oh! who, having a few better cards, is now arrogant and believes he cannot be beaten. We have the crusty old businessman who like is arrogant in that he believes his stature and wealth makes him so much better than others. What, ideally, is the kind of arrogance we measure?

    Is the American Dream really that arrogant? Or is it that socialists and communists in foreign nations despise the American Dream because they have differing view points/worldviews?

    Also, to me, there is a distinct difference between arrogance...

    ...and pride.

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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    So, I can understand your statement in a certain sense, but there are still questions lingering. Wouldn't China and Russia and Japan be almost as arrogant as America?
    Doesn't matter. Arrogance is a vice that must be tamed, and if possible, destroyed as quickly as one encounters it on oneself, whether as a person or as a nation. What other people do, or are, is irrelevant to that point.

    What exactly and how are we measuring arrogance? As in which type. We have the drop out who has a false sense of arrogance when he assumes a leadership position in Burger King. We hav the child who plays Yu-Gi-Oh! who, having a few better cards, is now arrogant and believes he cannot be beaten. We have the crusty old businessman who like is arrogant in that he believes his stature and wealth makes him so much better than others. What, ideally, is the kind of arrogance we measure?
    Arrogance is an emotion (intention), and a behavior (action) that arises in any applicable situation, whether one is a deluded manager of a Burger King or sitting passively in one's couch imagining the faultless glory of the American people.

    Is the American Dream really that arrogant? Or is it that socialists and communists in foreign nations despise the American Dream because they have differing view points/worldviews?
    My citation of the American Dream is just an awkward way of making a point relatable, and its arrogance is limited to how it is popularly (and, at an individual level, personally) conceived and practiced.

    Also, to me, there is a distinct difference between arrogance...

    ...and pride.
    Pride is just a general term for a string of sensations and behaviors where one (1) takes pleasure in one's achievements (2) develops a conscious understanding that these achievements increase their value as a person. Self-confidence develops the emotion to the point where one gets a functional comprehension of one's abilities. It ends (and humility begins) when one encounters a situation that exceeds their ability to handle, or at least, which poses a serious challenge to such ability. Arrogance carries pride past that point, to the extent it is incapable of acknowledging both internal and external limits. In everyday behavior, this manifests itself in In certain individuals habitually treating others with derision, valuing neither their time, thoughts, or help, but often depending on these things in one way or another to realize ambitions. Prima donna actors, for example, don't value the assistance of "the help," but nonetheless are very dependent on "the help" to succeed.

    At a national level, it manifests itself as an unwillingness to believe that the nation has made grave errors in its handling of different situations, particularly its treatment of other human beings. I would suggest Native American policies during the 19th century, and putting down democratic movements in the Middle East during the Cold War, as examples. In these cases, an arrogant person is psychologically incapable of recognizing the political entity he identifies and associates himself with has done evil.

    I often consider such delusion more evil than the evil action itself. It should be common knowledge that human beings have evil in them, which must be conquered, but denying the reality of it to such an extent suggests an unwillingness to acknowledge the evil in oneself and improve upon it which I find diabolical. You might take Holocaust denial as a comparison.
    Last edited by Morality Games; 10-20-11 at 05:03 PM.
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    Re: Is America arrogant?

    You are interesting, Morality Games.

    What then, in general terms, is the best course of action for correcting such arrogance?

    Also, if we correct arrogance, should we then feel it necessary to correct other vices?

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