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    Re: Which Political Party has more Violent Rallies?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    This could easily be replaced with anti-illegal immigration/pro-life/anti-SSM groups.
    anti-abortion protests are also violent, as they often seek to block women from abortion & other clinics.

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    Re: Which Political Party has more Violent Rallies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    [I]It's just that I see the many violent groups coming from socialist/Union/illegal immigration groups.
    Well of course, because you are a massively right leaning person who continually and routinely looks and keeps an ear out and focuses on media that is going to highlight violence in those groups while downplaying it anywhere else.

    Also, how many "Socialist" rallies have been occuring recently? Actual "socialist" rallies not this idiotic notion of "OMG WE'RE GOING TO CALL DEM SOCIALISSTSS!!". You complain about the lack of people caring about "facts" in the past...what violent union rallies have been going on?

    Are there violence at left leaning rallies? Sure. There's violence at anti-immigration rallies at times, tea party rallies at times, pro-life rallies, etc.

    Talking about "groups" is significantly different than "rallies". If you're just getting violence of "groups" then you can expand it on both sides too, such as the "religious right" style pastor who recently urged his congregation to attack homosexuals.

    My earlier premise was that the Tea Party was not violent compared to those left-leaning groups. However, a user whose nam I can't remember proved me wrong and I acknowledge that. Now, I modify my argument in that the TP is less violent than left-leaning groups.
    As long as you understand you're arguing an opinion, not fact. Unless you can find a way to quantify it; both defining what KIND of violence specifically you're speaking of and somehow actually measuring it. Something inherently different to do. I don't hear a ton of violence coming out of Tea Party rallies. At the same time, I've not heard of a single "Socialist" rally in my entire life and don't recall much more violence occuring at "union" rallies either.

    You suspect the left because you're conditioned to think negatively about the left on everything, are more apt to believe any negative story dealing with the left while being questioning of htose dealing with the right, and subscribe to sources that are going to be focusing on the left.

    As I said, my personal opinion is that its a relatively small fraction of occurences on the mainstream of either side and the numbers of occurences at the extreme ends are so low that actual discussing it is like trying to argue if the man with $.98 cents is rich compared to the guy with $1.00. Its a pointless pissing match to try and make or show one side as bieng somehow worse for something that only appears that way when one is so focused due to partisan blinders that they can't step back and see the actual context of it and realize how ridiculous the notion is all together.

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    Re: Which Political Party has more Violent Rallies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    anti-abortion protests are also violent, as they often seek to block women from abortion & other clinics.
    So wait...strikes with a picket line are violent then to you because they seek to block people from entering their jobs?

    You've got a GIANT net that you use to capture "violence" in. Which partially highlights my point. Violence to one person may be punching someone, violence to another person may be vandalism, and violence ot another like Thunder could be someone giving you the stink eye.

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    Re: Which Political Party has more Violent Rallies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    ...You suspect the left because you're conditioned to think negatively about the left on everything, are more apt to believe any negative story dealing with the left while being questioning of those dealing with the right, and subscribe to sources that are going to be focusing on the left....
    this indeed appears to be the case.

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    Re: Which Political Party has more Violent Rallies?

    Party? None.

    Side? Depending on when, but the Left is frequently interested in "revolution" (usually vaguely stated, sometimes completely pacifistic), and has a pretension of the goodness of being arrested for the sake of standing up to one's political and moral causes. The Right may use intimidating rhetoric or devices (weapons) as well (this is not really different from the Black Panthers). In the end, the Left could view the violence as a reflex of the Right, which may be more closely tied to the State or the established power structures in a society.

    Both sides are capable of doing so, but the energy right now, per se, is more on the American Left to have situations deteriorate into violence or disorder.
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    Re: Which Political Party has more Violent Rallies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So wait...strikes with a picket line are violent then to you because they seek to block people from entering their jobs?...
    yes, if Union protestors try to physically prevent people from going to work or into a store, they are being violent.

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    Re: Which Political Party has more Violent Rallies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Well of course, because you are a massively right leaning person who continually and routinely looks and keeps an ear out and focuses on media that is going to highlight violence in those groups while downplaying it anywhere else.

    Also, how many "Socialist" rallies have been occuring recently? Actual "socialist" rallies not this idiotic notion of "OMG WE'RE GOING TO CALL DEM SOCIALISSTSS!!". You complain about the lack of people caring about "facts" in the past...what violent union rallies have been going on?

    Are there violence at left leaning rallies? Sure. There's violence at anti-immigration rallies at times, tea party rallies at times, pro-life rallies, etc.

    Talking about "groups" is significantly different than "rallies". If you're just getting violence of "groups" then you can expand it on both sides too, such as the "religious right" style pastor who recently urged his congregation to attack homosexuals.



    As long as you understand you're arguing an opinion, not fact. Unless you can find a way to quantify it; both defining what KIND of violence specifically you're speaking of and somehow actually measuring it. Something inherently different to do. I don't hear a ton of violence coming out of Tea Party rallies. At the same time, I've not heard of a single "Socialist" rally in my entire life and don't recall much more violence occuring at "union" rallies either.

    You suspect the left because you're conditioned to think negatively about the left on everything, are more apt to believe any negative story dealing with the left while being questioning of htose dealing with the right, and subscribe to sources that are going to be focusing on the left.

    As I said, my personal opinion is that its a relatively small fraction of occurences on the mainstream of either side and the numbers of occurences at the extreme ends are so low that actual discussing it is like trying to argue if the man with $.98 cents is rich compared to the guy with $1.00. Its a pointless pissing match to try and make or show one side as bieng somehow worse for something that only appears that way when one is so focused due to partisan blinders that they can't step back and see the actual context of it and realize how ridiculous the notion is all together.
    ...interesting. Perhaps I should go back to the philosophical stance that all opinions/beliefs are pointless because they are not absolutely proven. It's impossible for one to be objective, yet also have any political belief.


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    Re: Which Political Party has more Violent Rallies?

    Violence, to me, is actual punching/kicking/torching cars/etc.

    ...not carrying registered firearms.

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    Re: Which Political Party has more Violent Rallies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Violence, to me, is actual punching/kicking/torching cars/etc.

    ...not carrying registered firearms.
    how about trying to intimidate people by carrying firearms? you cool with that?

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    Re: Which Political Party has more Violent Rallies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    how about trying to intimidate people by carrying firearms? you cool with that?
    ...you assume they mean to intimidate.

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