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Who are the OWS protestors?

Who are the OWS protestors?

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Wake said:
...predictable.



Should we talk about G20, as well. Maybe you'd like me to collect a few more videos? Let me guess. Hm... These instances weren't violent? Do note I never said ALL liberal rallies were violent.
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While I believe that there are more violent liberal rallies than there are violent conservative rallies, I think your claim that liberal rallies are usually violent is ridiculous.
 


And this one, Thunder?

Or is there no violence to be seen?
 
theplaydrive said:
While I believe that there are more violent liberal rallies than there are violent conservative rallies, I think your claim that liberal rallies are usually violent is ridiculous.
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What semantic do you want me to use that agrees with your worldview?

Right now, I can list around 40 different instances. How much does it take to get to "usually"?
 
Wake said:
What semantic do you want me to use that agrees with your worldview?

Right now, I can list around 40 different instances. How much does it take to get to "usually"?
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out of maybe 1,000 rallies in 2008? I'd say at least 25%.
 


This one, as well.

And I haven't even gotten to the illegal immigration rallies.
 
Wake said:
What semantic do you want me to use that agrees with your worldview?

Right now, I can list around 40 different instances. How much does it take to get to "usually"?
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I don't want you to use anything. I'm just letting you know that your claims are unsubstantiated. I think you know what the word "usually" means so unless you have statistics to legitimize your use of the word all you have is an unsubstantiated hypothesis. :shrug:
 
theplaydrive said:
I don't want you to use anything. I'm just letting you know that your claims are unsubstantiated. I think you know what the word "usually" means so unless you have statistics to legitimize your use of the word all you have is an unsubstantiated hypothesis. :shrug:
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I'll settle for liberal rallies typically being more violent than conservative ones, including the TP.

Sorry if I wasn't technical enough.
 
Wake said:
I'll settle for liberal rallies typically being more violent than conservative ones, including the TP.

Sorry if I wasn't technical enough.
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guns are more present at Right-wing rallies than Left-wing rallies.
 
Sure Wake, let's go tit for tat. You can find assholes any where if you look hard enough.

 
Thunder said:
guns are more present at Right-wing rallies than Left-wing rallies.
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Are you trying to give my argument ammo? I agree that armed civillians are typically safer civillians.
 
Wake said:
Are you trying to give my argument ammo? I agree that armed civillians are typically safer civillians.
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no, just pointing out that Right-wing rallies tend to have more armed protestors. Armed in order to intimidate.
 
theplaydrive said:
I don't want you to use anything. I'm just letting you know that your claims are unsubstantiated. I think you know what the word "usually" means so unless you have statistics to legitimize your use of the word all you have is an unsubstantiated hypothesis. :shrug:
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He may just be falling victim to a phenomeno. Resulting from the way our media works.

Blood/fear/misery SELLS. We hear about EVERY bad thing that happens, and it causes us to feel like FAR more bad things ARE happening than actually are.

A little kid got hit by a car in San Diego, somebody got murdered, there was a terrible accident.

Doesn't make mention of the millions of kids that didn't get killed today, the millions of people that didn't get murdered today, the millions of drivers who arrived home safely today.

Our pattern recognizing minds see the horrors we are shown by media, that shows horrors because they sell, and makes the determination that the world is a MUCH more dangerous place than it actually is.

This cognitive tendency is exploited by those with agendas to make it APPEAR that their opponents are scary and or dangerous and or silly.

Propaganda 101.
 
What if...? said:
He may just be falling victim to a phenomeno. Resulting from the way our media works.

Blood/fear/misery SELLS. We hear about EVERY bad thing that happens, and it causes us to feel like FAR more bad things ARE happening than actually are.

A little kid got hit by a car in San Diego, somebody got murdered, there was a terrible accident.

Doesn't make mention of the millions of kids that didn't get killed today, the millions of people that didn't get murdered today, the millions of drivers who arrived home safely today.

Our pattern recognizing minds see the horrors we are shown by media, that shows horrors because they sell, and makes the determination that the world is a MUCH more dangerous place than it actually is.

This cognitive tendency is exploited by those with agendas to make it APPEAR that their opponents are scary and or dangerous and or silly.

Propaganda 101.
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It is propaganda to video-tape live action violence from a certain group from a certain party?

I guess showing the riots from G20 was just propaganda---nothing to see?
 
Wake said:
The Tea Partiers were never violent yet liberal rallies are usually violent.
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Come again???

Violence at Tea Party rally: bare-knuckle politics in the streets

"A Tea Party protest against immigration reform in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., Saturday descended into fisticuffs, showing the tensions between America’s political extremes."


Milwaukee “tea party” rally turns violent

"Renee Crawford of the “Crawford’s Take” blog has a good first-hand account of the violence at yesterday’s “tea party” rally on Milwaukee’s lakefront:

I hear a commotion. I looked up and saw an angry mob of angry white men chasing an older white man with a backpack. He was yelling “I have a right to free speech too.” The crowd was yelling, “You should die. You’re not an American., etc…” They started grabbing at him as he kept trying to leave the event. The crowd was growing (eventually to about 30 people) and the man clearly scared and angry and being grabbed, pushed and surrounded to impede his attempts to escape,

The man traveled about 300 yards attempting to escape the growing crowd. The crowd was riled up and screaming en masse, continuing to chase the man down, stop his movement, push and pull on his and in general attack the guy.

Then Joe the Plumber joined the tussle. I kid you not. I have no idea his role in it, just that he was IN THE MIDDLE of the crowd. The sheriffs get there, I turn to look at Joe the Plumber and the next thing I know the guy being assaulted by the crowd is bloody on the ground under the knee of two sheriffs and being cuffed. His face was bloody, there was something about a broken camera and I became scared of the crowd who were cheering and congratulating the sheriffs for “doing a great job”.

Tea Party sign threatens gun violence if health care passes.

"The gathering was organized by Tea Party Profiteer organizations like FreedomWorks and Americans for Prosperity. ThinkProgress attended today’s rally and spotted a sign threatening violence if health care passes. The sign reads: “Warning: If Brown can’t stop it, a Browning can,” referring to Sen. Scott Brown (R-MA) and a Browning firearm."

Tea Party Getting Violent? 10 House Dems Report Threats, Vandalism

"Even the families of representatives aren't immune to the backlash, apparently. The Albemarle County Fire Marshal's Office and the FBI have concluded, in a joint statement, that a severed gas line outside of the house of Rep. Tom Perriello's (D-Va.) brother was "an act of vandalism." Perriello supported the overhaul measure and an activist involved in the "tea party" movement reportedly posted the brother's address on an internet forum - apparently thinking it was the congressman's - and urged angry opponents to pay him a visit."
 
Wake said:
...The Tea Partiers were never violent yet liberal rallies are usually violent.
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Catawba said:
...Violence at Tea Party rally: bare-knuckle politics in the streets

"A Tea Party protest against immigration reform in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., Saturday descended into fisticuffs, showing the tensions between America’s political extremes."


Milwaukee “tea party” rally turns violent

"Renee Crawford of the “Crawford’s Take” blog has a good first-hand account of the violence at yesterday’s “tea party” rally on Milwaukee’s lakefront:

I hear a commotion. I looked up and saw an angry mob of angry white men chasing an older white man with a backpack. He was yelling “I have a right to free speech too.” The crowd was yelling, “You should die. You’re not an American., etc…” They started grabbing at him as he kept trying to leave the event. The crowd was growing (eventually to about 30 people) and the man clearly scared and angry and being grabbed, pushed and surrounded to impede his attempts to escape,

The man traveled about 300 yards attempting to escape the growing crowd. The crowd was riled up and screaming en masse, continuing to chase the man down, stop his movement, push and pull on his and in general attack the guy.

Then Joe the Plumber joined the tussle. I kid you not. I have no idea his role in it, just that he was IN THE MIDDLE of the crowd. The sheriffs get there, I turn to look at Joe the Plumber and the next thing I know the guy being assaulted by the crowd is bloody on the ground under the knee of two sheriffs and being cuffed. His face was bloody, there was something about a broken camera and I became scared of the crowd who were cheering and congratulating the sheriffs for “doing a great job”.

Tea Party sign threatens gun violence if health care passes.

"The gathering was organized by Tea Party Profiteer organizations like FreedomWorks and Americans for Prosperity. ThinkProgress attended today’s rally and spotted a sign threatening violence if health care passes. The sign reads: “Warning: If Brown can’t stop it, a Browning can,” referring to Sen. Scott Brown (R-MA) and a Browning firearm."

Tea Party Getting Violent? 10 House Dems Report Threats, Vandalism

"Even the families of representatives aren't immune to the backlash, apparently. The Albemarle County Fire Marshal's Office and the FBI have concluded, in a joint statement, that a severed gas line outside of the house of Rep. Tom Perriello's (D-Va.) brother was "an act of vandalism." Perriello supported the overhaul measure and an activist involved in the "tea party" movement reportedly posted the brother's address on an internet forum - apparently thinking it was the congressman's - and urged angry opponents to pay him a visit."
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so not only do Tea-Party rallies sometimes turn violent, but there is also NO evidence that even a sizeable minority of Liberal rallies turn violent.
 
Thunder said:
so not only do Tea-Party rallies sometimes turn violent, but there is also NO evidence that even a sizeable minority of Liberal rallies turn violent.
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Pardon? If there is no evidence that a "even a sizeable minority of Liberal rallies turn violent," then there is not "even a sizeable minority of conservative rallies turning violent".
 
Wake said:
Pardon? If there is no evidence that a "even a sizeable minority of Liberal rallies turn violent," then there is not "even a sizeable minority of conservative rallies turning violent".
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I'm sorry, did anyone here suggest that a sizeable minority of Conservative rallies get violent??????

dude, what are you talking about??
 
Thunder said:
I'm sorry, did anyone here suggest that a sizeable minority of Conservative rallies get violent??????

dude, what are you talking about??
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Please don't twist my words, again.

You said there is no evidence that a "even a sizeable minority of Liberal rallies turn violent," and so I respond by saying that for conservatives that must also be true.
 
Wake said:
It is propaganda to video-tape live action violence from a certain group from a certain party?

I guess showing the riots from G20 was just propaganda---nothing to see?
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Not at all wake.

The phenomenon I mention is real.

It may not be applicable to your argument, Im not totally up to speed in the thread.

But FAR more video could be presented of PEACEFUL protests than of those that turn violent.

One video of violence jangles our sensibilities MORE than a hundred boring videos of people walking around with signs settles them.

Violence is more interesting to our predator brains than peacefulness is.
 
Wake said:
Please don't twist my words, again.

You said there is no evidence that a "even a sizeable minority of Liberal rallies turn violent," and so I respond by saying that for conservatives that must also be true.
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no one here is suggesting that Conservative rallies tend to be violent...nor even a sizeable minority of them.
 
Wake said:
Please don't twist my words, again.

You said there is no evidence that a "even a sizeable minority of Liberal rallies turn violent," and so I respond by saying that for conservatives that must also be true.
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The difference is that YOU were the only one who claimed that a majority of liberal rallies turn violent.

We're still waiting for you to post anything more than anecdotes
 
megaprogman said:
The middle class hasn't been growing since the 80s when there were far more single income households than there are today.
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I notice you haven't provided a link to support your assertion that there were far more single income households in the 1980s than there are today. I wonder why.

The United States has the highest percentage of single-parent families (34% in 1998) among developed countries...There was a dramatic increase in single-parent families in the United States in the last three decades of the twentieth century; only 13 percent of families were headed by a single parent in 1970. Over one-fourth of children in the United States lived with a single parent in 1996, double the proportion in 1970.

Read more: Single-Parent Families - Demographic Trends - Poverty, Family, Women, Percent, Births, and Divorce - JRank Articles Single-Parent Families - Demographic Trends - Poverty, Family, Women, Percent, Births, and Divorce - JRank Articles
 
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