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    Re: Who are the OWS protestors?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Then maybe you can explain to the rest of us why this "spontaneous" movement is only now waking up to events that happened largely before the last Presidential election, and were apparently still sleep-walking duing the 2010 midterms ?
    Maybe you can explain to me why the Civil Rights, women's rights and gay rights movements "woke up" to events that happened largely before the start of their movements. What does time passed have to do with the legitimacy and earnestness of a movement?

    Maybe you can explain how we are seeing no targeting of those politicians who were the largest recipients of campaign contributions by the housing bubble culprits, starting with Fannie and Freddie, who not only were as reckless as the rest, but did it with taxpayer money, and who were also caught cooking the books. Those top recipients include Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and John Kerry.
    Maybe you should take that up with the occupiers as I have the same grievance with their movement thus far. As I have said in many posts, I would like to see a focus on both corporations/banks and the government. Many members of the government should not be immune to our criticism as they have both enabled and welcomed an relationship between corporations and government that is inappropriate and harmful. (Did you miss the part of my post where I specifically assigned blame to the government?)

    Or, are they getting the mysterious and inexplicable pass on this ?
    See above. Perhaps you should check yourself before you make rash judgments about other posters.

    OBTW, do those who condemn Conservatives or the Tea Party have a dossier on every single participant ?
    Your entire post did two things: First, it failed to address any of my points in the post you responded to. Second, it was filled with misdirected frustrations, questions and judgments that you clearly have with people other than me, but that you felt obliged to project onto my words.

    I'll repeat myself: "Corporations and banks took dangerous risks, many citizens lived above their means and the government nurtured all of it. The main problem I see with people's analysis of our economic breakdown is the willingness to demonize one side while excusing the others of their responsibility. Corporations/Banks, citizens and government all share responsibility."

    Corporations, the government and regular citizens all share blame. Maybe you can address that instead of making up an imaginary person to argue against.

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    Re: Who are the OWS protestors?

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    The "they'll take their ball and go home" meme needs to go too.

    "They'll take their ball of imaginary money that only exists because OUR govt says it does as far as we say they can until they piss us off enough to erase it" meme makes PRECISELY as much sense.
    If my money is only imaginary, then I'm sure the government won't mind if I only pay imaginary taxes on it.
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    Re: Who are the OWS protestors?

    A group of people that are upset about our financial, and/or economic system.


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    Re: Who are the OWS protestors?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sensibility View Post
    If my money is only imaginary, then I'm sure the government won't mind if I only pay imaginary taxes on it.
    Its as real as the good faith and credit of the US says it is. It does not, in fact, "exist".

    When did taxes become imaginary again?
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    Re: Who are the OWS protestors?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    they are people who have been told that 'the system' is bad, and that 'they system' is responsible for bad things. so now, their lives have a high occurence of bad things, so naturally, they blame 'the system'...... the problem being, nobody ever actually explained to them specifically what that 'system', precisely, was or how it actually harmed them. they just know that life's not fair, they're not happy about it, and they're gonna blame somebody.
    Where have I heard this before..............................? Oh yeah, replace "system" in your quote above with government and it becomes clear where I've heard this before, from the Tea party.

    "they are people who have been told that 'the government' is bad, and that 'the government' is responsible for bad things. so now, their lives have a high occurence of bad things, so naturally, they blame 'the government'...... the problem being, nobody ever actually explained to them specifically what that 'government', precisely, was or how it actually harmed them. they just know that life's not fair, they're not happy about it, and they're gonna blame somebody".

    Edit: my apologies to Helix, I just saw you pointed out the same thing I did. Easy to spot wasn't it?
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    Re: Who are the OWS protestors?

    I didn't know there was an occupation. Figured it was New York and that it typically has throngs of confused and ignorant people.

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    Re: Who are the OWS protestors?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Maybe you can explain to me why the Civil Rights, women's rights and gay rights movements "woke up" to events that happened largely before the start of their movements. What does time passed have to do with the legitimacy and earnestness of a movement?
    Let's see if I have this proportionally correct. We got the Civil Rights movement. And the Women's Rights movement. And the Gay Rights movement. And now the Anti Greed movement ? Tell me whatchoo gonna call it if I got that wrong.

    Maybe you should take that up with the occupiers as I have the same grievance with their movement thus far. As I have said in many posts, I would like to see a focus on both corporations/banks and the government. Many members of the government should not be immune to our criticism as they have both enabled and welcomed an relationship between corporations and government that is inappropriate and harmful. (Did you miss the part of my post where I specifically assigned blame to the government?)
    Focus ? And then what, after we "focus" ? No campaign money from business, or unions, or other exempted groups ? Then what, higher taxes ? Such as ? What ?


    See above. Perhaps you should check yourself before you make rash judgments about other posters.
    The judgement was about where is the criticism of Obama by the OWS folks ? Or any of the politicians who gave a bail-out. Which posters here are in that OWS crowd, btw ?

    Your entire post did two things: First, it failed to address any of my points in the post you responded to. Second, it was filled with misdirected frustrations, questions and judgments that you clearly have with people other than me, but that you felt obliged to project onto my words.
    I have asked from the beginning for someone to tell us what the problem is, and then the solution. So far .... crickets.

    I'll repeat myself: "Corporations and banks took dangerous risks, many citizens lived above their means and the government nurtured all of it. The main problem I see with people's analysis of our economic breakdown is the willingness to demonize one side while excusing the others of their responsibility. Corporations/Banks, citizens and government all share responsibility."
    So what ? Businesses take risks. Many fail. We all take risks. The question is if we obey the law. And if businesses, such as banks, should be allowed to fail ? Politicians changed the rules, and bailed out banks. The Tea Party is against bailouts. Like for 3 years now !! Are you essentially saying "no more bailouts" ?

    Corporations, the government and regular citizens all share blame. Maybe you can address that instead of making up an imaginary person to argue against.
    OK. Again, so what ? Whatchoo gonna do ? What I see and here and read from the OWS folks is that they want free stuff. Just heard a bunch on the radio again. They want more money for them from government. This is no longer a select couple of folks saying this. They want guaranteed jobs. Free college (paid for by someone else), much higher minimum wage for everybody. What they want is an expanded nanny state, paid for by anyone but them. Free medical. Free stuff !
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    Re: Who are the OWS protestors?

    How are they going to get free stuff when we're terribly in debt?

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    Re: Who are the OWS protestors?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Right now, I see two themes, either they are nafarious anticapitalists bent on the destruction of western society or they are a confused group of people who all want something different and have no unified voice.
    I voted "Other."

    They're people.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Who are the OWS protestors?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Incomes has been stagnant or going down since reagan and I have already covered the necessity of social spending with you.Personally I think the bailouts were needed but since we failed to reregulate banking, we will end up having to do it again.
    OK. Why are they going down ? And once that is identified, what then is the solution ?

    I posted all the tax rate info. If its higher taxes, then where, and by how much ?

    FYI, we are stagnant because we produce less and less to sell to ourselves, or anyone else, IMMHO. And we have consequently put more folks on the gubmit teat. Can't get rich there.

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