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    Re: Who are the OWS protestors?

    Firstly, I find the reversal of roles from threads about the Tea Party to be interesting and really stupid. Oh, of course the Tea Party was full of a bunch of uneducated rubes who hypocritically bash some government spending while enjoying the fruits of some government spending in other areas that often have little or nothing to do with what they're bitching about. Now of course the Occupy movement is full of uneducated rubes who hypocritically bash some corporate actions while enjoying the fruits of some corporate actions in other areas that often have little or nothing to do with what they're bitching about. Many protestors are hypocritical, and many posters are consistent. However, more than a few aren't.

    The movement is very broad. My center-left friend, fellow Libertarians, and myself were at Occupy DC, and all of us like a market-based economy and some big business. Many protestors are fed up with corporate welfare. Many want corporations (and capitalism for that matter) done away with entirely. There was a lot of great organization and poor organization, especially a very bizarre "general assembly" that I attended for a few minutes. The entire movement seems to be based on fighting corporate abuses in some way; of course many people see these abuses differently. What some might see as a problem with deregulation, others may see as a result of too much government intervention. Just like the Tea Party, some people are crazy; some know what they're talking about, but everybody is pissed off.
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    Re: Who are the OWS protestors?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    ...Just like the Tea Party, some people are crazy; some know what they're talking about, but everybody is pissed off.
    I'll bet if the TP and the OWS folks sat down and discussed it, they would actually find some common ground. They are both pissed off at Wall St. and their never-ending abuses...paid for with tax-dollars, while the American people get screwed.

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    Re: Who are the OWS protestors?

    As I said elsewhere, the Occupiers are a rag-tag, disjointed mass of neo-hippies and anti-capitalists, with a muddled message and no proposed solutions.

    As much as they claim to be the 99%, I'm not sure they represent the majority of Americans. Most Americans do not think most corporations are evil and that the capitalist system should be scrapped. While most Americans realize some reforms are necessary, they also know where their paychecks come from, and who produces the products and services we all use.

    Personally, I would be much more impressed if the Occupiers went out and got occupied. Don't camp out in a New York park, trying to get screen time on Rachel Maddow's show while you scream about Goldman Sachs. If you truly care about the millions of Americans who are hurting, go out and volunteer at a soup kitchen, at a food bank, at a school. Be a tutor, a mentor, a Big Brother or Big Sister. I'd be much more likely to listen to their message--assuming it were focused--if they did something like that than if they just spend endless weeks in drum circles and consensus-building call-and-answer sessions.
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    Re: Who are the OWS protestors?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    We had responsible capitalism in earlier decades and at the same time we were an extremely prosperous nation. This can be done without any major revolutions in our system. The problem right now is that we are worshipping selfishness and it is harming the nation. As the regular joes get more poor, more public spending is needed to prop up the system (because market economies do not work without sufficient demand, which is the current root of our problem), which is why we are seeing increased public expenditures and the call for greater taxation.
    I beg to differ. What you are calling 'responsible capitalism" was actually a system that operated with very little outside competitive pressures. Our economy ruled the roost, and our dog still wagged its own tail. In business, this is known as "sales fixes everything". But we have lost our competitive edge for a variety of reasons, none of which are remedied by redistribution and more taxes, btw, and also are running out of borrowed money by which we could pretend we had no problem ! We can no longer "prop it up", which is a good part of the current mess ! We must mend the foundation !

    It is a problem that can easily be solved through balance in incomes (not meaning everyone makes the same income or close to it, but we don't need the immense stratification we see right now) so that money is able to properly flow.
    "Balance of incomes ..... so that money is able to properly flow" ... please explain this babble !

    This goes back to my statement about useless morals. If we continue to worship selfishness and a winner take all attitude, we will continue to suffer economically as a nation.
    We are where we are because government interjected itself too much is trying to balance results, rather than increase opportunity and enable reward. Our two biggest drains are the semi-ponzi schemes of Social Security and Medicare, and now Obamacare. Liberal nanny-state "balance", underfunded-from-the-beginning-wealth-redistribution from tomorrow's generation back to todays ! They dwarf all wars in cost. All bailouts. All everything.

    Show us "winner take all" economics ! What we have is liberal-take-all-your-money politics !

    Please, no more of the useless platitudes. Roadmap out at least half an explanation of what and how. Thanks.

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    Re: Who are the OWS protestors?

    You simply cannot describe a group of hundreds of people in a single sentence. No answer is right. They share a common bond in being angry and willing to demonstrate that anger, but beyond that, not much in common. It's funny listening to people downplay the group, when some in the OWS probably have a lot more knowledge than they do. They are probably better educated on average, but with less life experience on average, than the tea party, but even that varied widely.
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    Re: Who are the OWS protestors?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sensibility View Post
    Most Americans do not think most corporations are evil and that the capitalist system should be scrapped.
    I don't get the impression that most the occupiers think this way either.

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    Re: Who are the OWS protestors?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogram
    Its one link up. Its the corporations that are bribing the politicians through campaign contributions to do their bidding. Electing new politicians does not seem to stop this process (plus the supreme court made it far worse last year), so a change in focus is needed.
    Wait, so corporations are legally participating in government (you demonize as bribing), and this somehow made all those people buy homes they couldn't afford, and made all those lenders loosen their standards? What!?

    Confused individuals indeed.

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    Re: Who are the OWS protestors?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You simply cannot describe a group of hundreds of people in a single sentence. No answer is right. They share a common bond in being angry and willing to demonstrate that anger, but beyond that, not much in common. It's funny listening to people downplay the group, when some in the OWS probably have a lot more knowledge than they do. They are probably better educated on average, but with less life experience on average, than the tea party, but even that varied widely.
    How can we downplay it more than you just did?
    They share a common bond in being angry and willing to demonstrate that anger

    A mob of angry people. Yeah, inspiriational. Revolutionary. When they realize they are mad at themselves, maybe they will do some work?

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    Re: Who are the OWS protestors?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    How can we downplay it more than you just did?
    They share a common bond in being angry and willing to demonstrate that anger

    A mob of angry people. Yeah, inspiriational. Revolutionary. When they realize they are mad at themselves, maybe they will do some work?
    Worked for the Tea Party, didn't it?
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    Re: Who are the OWS protestors?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You simply cannot describe a group of hundreds of people in a single sentence. No answer is right. They share a common bond in being angry and willing to demonstrate that anger, but beyond that, not much in common. It's funny listening to people downplay the group, when some in the OWS probably have a lot more knowledge than they do. They are probably better educated on average, but with less life experience on average, than the tea party, but even that varied widely.
    I have largely the same problem with these folks that I do with the Tea Party.... All TALK and No ACTION. The Tea Party had what, supposely more than 10,000 people in DC for a rally a year or two ago? Occupy DC supposedly had a high number of people. Where was the "storm the Bastille" action by either of these groups? Show me a group that's willing to put themselves in danger to actually CHANGE something and I'll have a lot more respect than a bunch of people who are all talk, on either end of the political spectrum.

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